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PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
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I want 100/100

but I'd be pretty upset too if a company dumped 2 refrigerator sized boxes in the middle of my front yard...

forrestin
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join:2004-02-07
Clinton, IN
I'll take ten of those boxes if it means that I can get away from dialup. I'm tired of people complaining about how things look. If only AT&T cared enough to go into the rural areas of the country and install service.


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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NYC Metro

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said by forrestin:

I'll take ten of those boxes if it means that I can get away from dialup. I'm tired of people complaining about how things look. If only AT&T cared enough to go into the rural areas of the country and install service.
There are ways to deploy broadband solutions without ruining property values and how a neighborhood looks. Broadband is nice, but when the property value drops a couple thousand dollars, it ain't frigging worth it!! All so a company can make a shitload of money off YOUR loss.

-Tzale
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NickD
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Princeton Junction, NJ
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100/100 would cost much more per year than the reduction in your property value if the box weren't there. If I were searching for a home, and someone told me the box in front of the house was for FiOS, I would be more inclined to buy that house because it has FiOS available.

forrestin
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join:2004-02-07
Clinton, IN
reply to Tzale
I find it hard to believe that property values are dropping thousands of dollars because of the boxes. If you don't want the boxes in your yard then don't move where the utilities have Right of Way access.

Sounds like a case of the rich want to B**h. They should be glad that they have services. If I were AT&T I would yank DSL and other new services and give them dialup.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
I would think that in any neighborhood the utilities should be hiding the equipment in the backyards. You shouldn't be dropping large equipment in people's front yards. In my neighborhood everything is in the back of people's yards. No one complains. The telcos are stupid in this case. Even if they didn't have easement access in the back, there is no point in not asking a homeowner to give them an easement to prevent having a huge box in their front yard. Most would easily agree to the deal.


Ben
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
reply to Tzale
Huh? It's completely worth it.

I would be far, far less inclined to buy a property if the best I could get (without modifications) was either satellite or dial-up Internet.

I remember how slow dial-up is. Sometimes I still know, because of my back-up dial-up connection.

Go back to dial-up or even ISDN as my primary connection? No way! I don't want to wait days just to download the latest service pack. That and I sure do love running servers.

So let's see, the choices are:

A) Use dial-up. To download the latest Fedora Core 8 DVD image (which is 3.18GB) would take close to a week, if you run the dial-up 24/7.

OR

B) Live with a large box nearby, but download the same DVD image in less than 18 minutes (assuming 25Mbps download).

Wow...what a tough decision.

EPS4

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the boxes are just for U-Verse... so the situation is more like A) Dial-up B) Existing DSL for up to 6Mbps/768kbps (I think this is the fastest at&t DSL speed, not sure) or maybe Cable or C) Big Box in yard for up to 10Mbps/1Mbps, which is kind of a different situation...


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
reply to NickD
said by NickD:

100/100 would cost much more per year than the reduction in your property value if the box weren't there. If I were searching for a home, and someone told me the box in front of the house was for FiOS, I would be more inclined to buy that house because it has FiOS available.
Well lets break down your argument...

First, no "normal" person is going to purchase 100/100 internet... More than likely, they'd have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for that type of connection... So that point is null and void. Second, if you're purchasing a home with a box already in front, you're not LOSING money, since you're not SELLING the home. You're SAVING money. Hell, you can USE it as a method to knock down the price a little if you want... If I had to choose between two comparable homes, and one had FIOS... I'd probably go with the home with FIOS if no other viable option was at the other location or FIOS wasn't going to be available shortly... I love FIOS, but it only makes good business sense to TRY to be considerate and not have the "big corporation" mentality when doing business in peoples neighborhoods.

-Tzale
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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NYC Metro
reply to forrestin
said by forrestin:

I find it hard to believe that property values are dropping thousands of dollars because of the boxes. If you don't want the boxes in your yard then don't move where the utilities have Right of Way access.

Sounds like a case of the rich want to B**h. They should be glad that they have services. If I were AT&T I would yank DSL and other new services and give them dialup.
Who knows... It is relative... But from the article, it appears they put up a big ugly retaining wall... That is DEFINITELY going to lower property prices.. This is one of the reasons why it is often against local ordinances to have an unkept frontyard or rundown home... It makes the surrounding properties lower in value.

-Tzale
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
reply to Ben
said by Ben:

Huh? It's completely worth it.

I would be far, far less inclined to buy a property if the best I could get (without modifications) was either satellite or dial-up Internet.

I remember how slow dial-up is. Sometimes I still know, because of my back-up dial-up connection.

Go back to dial-up or even ISDN as my primary connection? No way! I don't want to wait days just to download the latest service pack. That and I sure do love running servers.

So let's see, the choices are:

A) Use dial-up. To download the latest Fedora Core 8 DVD image (which is 3.18GB) would take close to a week, if you run the dial-up 24/7.

OR

B) Live with a large box nearby, but download the same DVD image in less than 18 minutes (assuming 25Mbps download).

Wow...what a tough decision.
And you're reducing it to an extreme case.... Most places NOW have access to multiple forms of broadband... And MOST people don't think having an EYESORE in their front yard is worth it when it would make MORE business sense to have it placed somewhere more discreet... Legally, they have every right to place it there, and broadband DOES increase property values for people who WANT broadband, but a big box REALLY does hurt property values when it is sitting, rusted and not maintained 10 years later when you're trying to sell your home..

-Tzale
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mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
reply to PhoenixDown
said by PhoenixDown:

but I'd be pretty upset too if a company dumped 2 refrigerator sized boxes in the middle of my front yard...
I would be too. If there is a way to hide the box, but the company wants to save the money that would cost, I'd be pissed. I take pride in how my property looks.. I don't need a 5-6 foot tall metal cabinet out front. Thankfully, FIOS runs everything underground (at least where I am). The only thing I see in my back yard is a 3'x2' (or so) lid on a buried box. ...and the lid is green so it blends in with the grass.


marigolds
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
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reply to Ben
said by Ben:

So let's see, the choices are:

A) Use dial-up. To download the latest Fedora Core 8 DVD image (which is 3.18GB) would take close to a week, if you run the dial-up 24/7.

OR

B) Live with a large box nearby, but download the same DVD image in less than 18 minutes (assuming 25Mbps download).
The boxes provide TV service, not broadband internet.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please

join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
read the article again. It states that AT&T's boxes provide TV and internet service.

skrupowies

join:2002-08-22
Bristol, CT
reply to EPS4
said by EPS4:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the boxes are just for U-Verse...

You're wrong. The VRAD's provide both U-verse and high speed internet. If you were a DSL customer prior to U-verse (either from the CO directly or from some electronics) your line gets shifted to the VRAD for internet. In general your actual service improves some because the overhead is less (practically nonexistent) for VRAD based internet as compared to ADSL with PPPOE.