yawn
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Re: Conerning The On Going Denial of Service Attacks Today.
specific geographical areas .....need to be cut-off from the internet period I'd say. |
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Name Game
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North Myrtle Beach, SC | reply to zbestwun2001
Follow up on the CNN DDOS Attack that never got enough steam.
DDOS Anniversary
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If the goal was 'behavior modifcation' they would not just be migitating..the goal is no longer being vulnerable. Bad guys will never go away unless you reach out and touch them..I see many contests out there..and many probes..and traps..so in case it is not clear..why are you looking in this thread on conditions to have them stop ?????
Start a new thread and either state how you would do this instead of looking for a room with a view. You have no idea what probes were really sent out..it's does not take a rocket scientist to know what software is running at the Host or the Board Software..there are published hacks all over the internet..and vulnerabilities discovered each day..
Risk assesment might give you the odds..but it won't stop or keep you safe..and asking that of any Board that is public like this one and even open to anon posts..takes that risk.
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CalliingItAsItIs
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Sorry if you found anything I wrote "unclear". I'll try to be clearer.
When did I profess answers? I stated that if one can't pinpoint the attacker, can't usually prosecute even if you know where it's coming from, and it costs you more money to defend against it than it does to initiate it, does that sound like a good cost/benefit equation to you? It doesn't to me.
Therefore, without disincentive, what stops someone with deep pockets from DDS'ing someone out of business? None that I can see yet. Bad publicity? Hardly a deterrent to those who don't care. Giving one the opportunity to better prepare against it? Perhaps, but it also gives them the opportunity to probe weaknesses.
So mitigating an attack, while extremely commendable, is still not a big disincentive. So I simply don't see yet, from all I've read, why would someone stop?
In case that wasn't clear, that's a question, not a point of view.
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You could go to "War" with queenie.exe
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astirusty
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said by CallingItAsItIs :
I merely suggested that it would be a mistake to think that these people are dumb. You didn't merely suggest it, you said: I think you make a grave mistake in thinking that these people are dumb.
said by CallingItAsItIs :
I merely suggested that if you can bring down a security site, even for brief periods, what better way to demonstrate that you a force to be reckoned with. Well, what you "merely suggested" was pretty unclear (and not just to me).
said by CallingItAsItIs :
If one is constantly playing defense, you can blunt the attack, but that is hardly the same as winning the war. Since you have brought the whole "constantly playing defense" subject up, I would like to know from you exactly what Offensive tactics you would suggest sites like DSLReports do? Baring in mind the Offensive tactics have to be legal and practical.
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I appreciate the efforts Justin, and others helping him, have put in to keep us informed. It's refreshing as a customer to be kept in the loop, and to be able to learn some things along the way. They have set an example that many other businesses would do well to follow. Thank you. 
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Well you just saw them win one..the site here is back up despite the attack..and now it is stronger for the encounter..call it an exercise..call it a skirmish..but it is far from a war..and the owner was involved..calling some of the shots..not just letting the Host for the site wander through the action..and he even enjoyed being in the engineroom for the time necessary to call the shot..and he had help from others in the community.
And no need to hide it eh basement
These are his view on..security via obscurity 
»Re: ddos
no need for secrecy.
the current blacklist is
»/front/blackli···rted.txt
all were collected in the last 2 hours.
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CallingItAsItIs
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said by astirusty  :Did I say I they were dumb? -- Nope -- I never stated that you "said" anything. I merely suggested that it would be a mistake to think that these people are dumb. There's a difference.
They are hardly as you indicated "pissing away their money", which implies a dumb action. How much does this cost them? Not much. How much impact can they have. Enough. They may be doing this on someone else's nickel, in which case they will continue just as long as they are paid. Or if it's their nickel, they'll do it just as long as they think it is in their interest.
said by astirusty :I think the Umpire needs glasses. DSLR was unavailable to users for several short periods of time, but DSLR was NOT hacked or POWNed. I never suggested that DSLR was hacked or owned. I merely suggested that if you can bring down a security site, even for brief periods, what better way to demonstrate that you a force to be reckoned with. That's a message. Whether it is their intended message, I can only surmise.
If one is constantly playing defense, you can blunt the attack, but that is hardly the same as winning the war.
How many wars are won on defense? Not many that I know of. |
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said by CallingItAsItIs :
... but I call them as I see them. They've made their point to me that nothing is 100% secure, not even a security site. I think the Umpire needs glasses. DSLR was unavailable to users for several short periods of time, but DSLR was NOT hacked or POWNed.
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said by CallingItAsItIs :
I think you make a grave mistake in thinking that these people are dumb. Did I say I they were dumb? -- Nope --
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said by CallingItAsItIs :
I don't like this any more than you do, but I call them as I see them. They've made their point to me that nothing is 100% secure, not even a security site.
You would have to be living under a rock to even "assume" that at anytime any site is safe..much less your own system..this is the internet...software..code..and any of it can be manipulate and humans by nature are always a target of "Social engineering"..it is just more high tech now.
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Kiwi
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DSLR reports is still secured. Let me do the honours of an analogy. A cop has to go between point A and B, at a point in the road there is a large tree across it, did the cop fail to progress to point B, yes, is the cop compromised; only stopped. Nothing wrong with him/her the car/bike, just the means to get to point B. The cop calls ahead
Nothing was breached here at DSLR reports.
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CallingItAsItIs
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said by astirusty : If the person(s) behind the DDoSing are financially wise; they will soon realize that they are pissing away their money. I think you make a grave mistake in thinking that these people are dumb. I'd imagine that they know exactly what they're doing and have a good reason for it.
Don't underestimate your adversary.
As far as I can tell, there is little downside to this and only upside. You can only guess who they are (not exactly evidence), and even if you catch them, what then?
I don't like this any more than you do, but I call them as I see them. They've made their point to me that nothing is 100% secure, not even a security site. |
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Duplicate. |
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..I'll disagree right back, these people rely on web sites to fool people into the release of valuable information and trojan placement. If their 'Business model' and sites are highlighted, that can only serve to destroy the hidden value of a wolf in sheep clothing.
It's really not about a DDoS attack on this site, it's that several valuable members here have high profiled a Mafia organization, not something these scum want. Or the end result of this attack would not have occurred in the first place. |
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astirusty
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said by Steve :... though it's curious to see you change your tone from "never" Change in tone? Whatever...
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said by Kiwi :That would be like an investment, except now the publicity from this wee effort will actually do what turds don't want -High profiling. I'd disagree. Everyone already knows about them. (in a general sense, of course)
But, what's a commonality to any business venture?
Selling a product/service and getting the word out.
AKA...Advertising. The 'ol "look what we can do" stuff.
We do that rather well with our high Google ranks and immediate rush of feedback from everyone from ElReg to Wilders. You can't pay for this kind of exposure.
People still talk about the attacks on GRC years later..in the Net, that's immortality..and in the right circles..profit.
Perhaps them doing this to BBR is just an excercise?
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I learned a long time ago never, ever say 'never'. Never is a long time... 
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said by astirusty : I disagree with the "often" part. Your points are all thoughtful ones, though it's curious to see you change your tone from "never" |
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