rkruz
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| IM Monitoring at LAN?
My childs computer (who has had online behavior problems which have caused us to implement monitoring and site blocking with Securespot) has a stealthy keylogger installed and emails me periodic logs of Instant Messaging (Trillian, AOL etc) activity, web sites visited etc.
Is there a consumer software that will monitor at least 2 way IMs from 1 computer by monitoring the LAN traffic with my computer vs the use of stealthy software installed on the monitored PC?
thanks for anytips |
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koma3504
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said by rkruz  :Is there a consumer software that will monitor at least 2 way IMs from 1 computer by monitoring the LAN traffic with my computer vs the use of stealthy software installed on the monitored PC? thanks for anytips I can provide you with several tips that will accomplish your "needs" but i will not: it will violate the private sphere/privacy rights of your kids.
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koma3504
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Smokey Bear
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Is (many times) regrettably practice, suppose i am a weirdo because i don't spy on my kids. |
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premio
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| You're not a weirdo; your parenting skills will most likely not turn your kid into one. Relationships where parents feel the need to spy on children is a major risk factor for developing abnormal behaviors. It would be more appropriate to remove a computer and deny internet access as a consequence.
Unfortunately it is not illegal. |
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| said by premio :Unfortunately it is not illegal. Indeed not illegal but for sure sneaky and disgusting.
When i read well the thread starter's child had "online behavior problems", i strongly advice him to take a look at himself and his own behavior.
People using keyloggers and other disgusting crap to maintain (total) family control are the only ones with behavior problems.
Bah!
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rkruz
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Sunnyvale, CA | is this guy for real? or just a troll? |
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rkruz
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Sunnyvale, CA | reply to koma3504
thanks. Ill take a look at SMoothwall. SOunds like its a standalone firewall type deal though that needs to sit between the LAN and my router (BEFSX41).
thanks again |
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX | Yes it is a firewall - intrusion detection. and alot of neat fetures |
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premio
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I thought about this a little more.
If you are recording IM's between your kid and another person. I believe you are actually breaking federal law since neither party that you are tapping is aware of the tap. State laws may be more restrictive in requiring both parties to know. |
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koma3504
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| well if it was me even if there was with all the sex perverts that like to molest kids and lure them just look at
»www.perverted-justice.com/ and what they do.
Same principle except it is the parent doing it.
Oh and in the tos of the isp each individule is responsible for their own security and with Im's they can trick ya and they can be right in ya pc at the click of a mouse.
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said by rkruz :is this guy for real? or just a troll? You are allowed to call me Mr Smokey. |
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premio
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said by koma3504 :well if it was me even if there was with all the sex perverts that like to molest kids and lure them just look at » www.perverted-justice.com/ and what they do. Same principle except it is the parent doing it. Oh and in the tos of the isp each individule is responsible for their own security and with Im's they can trick ya and they can be right in ya pc at the click of a mouse. Again in PJ, one half of the conversation knows the conversation is being tapped. In your scenrio you do not know that. And if I remember right, in Texas (where your sig says you live) they had to deputize all volunteers on the PJ team to make it 'legal'. |
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX | Well yea but things change when it is the parent's acually doing it . Im sure all Responsible Parent's would agree that someone's got to do the monitoring the alternative would be the government Aka big brother now which one would you want ?? |
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said by premio :I thought about this a little more. If you are recording IM's between your kid and another person. I believe you are actually breaking federal law since neither party that you are tapping is aware of the tap. State laws may be more restrictive in requiring both parties to know. How do you know how old his/her child is? Please provide proof that it's "breaking federal law" for a parent to monitor for safety reasons what an underage child (who has already apparently had online issues) is doing on the internet, or even if just to protect the security of THEIR machine.
I also don't see where the OP said anything about "recording"....how can you "record" non verbal communication? You are talking about something entirely different.
Underage children have no such "privacy rights".
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rkruz
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Sunnyvale, CA | safety of the children is paramount. |
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garys_2k
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You can watch ALL network traffic from another computer on your LAN if you wire them together with a network hub (not sure -- are you on a wireless LAN?). Hubs broadcast all traffic to all ports, so another PC running wireshark will be able to listen in on all chat traffic to/from the other machine.
BTW, I have ZERO problems helping you keep your kid safe. I have kids and would hate to see them threatened or have that type of problem. |
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said by rkruz :safety of the children is paramount. Of course it is but don't expect a 14-16 yr old posting as an adult bear in a security forum to understand that.
Suggesting that "internet access" be taken away doesn't show any sense of reality either. All that will accomplish is forcing the surfing to be done outside of the house.
I'm sure this was not an easy thread to start & you've got my empathy but...
Rhetorically, what would you do if your worst fears were proved true? If you're as responsible & caring about the welfare of your child as you seem to be having "proof' shouldn't get be a prerequisite of family counseling. |
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It's your child, this is only a suggestion, but it worked well in our house. Keep the machine in shared living space in the house, where you can sit down at any moment and see what's going on. Sit down occasionally and ask them questions when they are on. That way you show the child that you are taking an interest in what they are doing, and you can be fairly certain that nothing bad is happening. As time goes on, and trust is earned, the computer can be moved into the child's bedroom.
With the other approach, eventually the child will probably figure out what is up. Trust between the two of you will be harmed. The child will probably try to bypass your monitoring. They might think that turning the tables is fair game, and attempt to monitor your traffic. How would you have reacted if you found your parents picking up the other phone and secretly listening to your conversations?
If you do monitor the child's activities, you are less likely to have the child find out if you install a separate machine to monitor from, as koma3504 suggested. If someone is looking for one, most commercial keyloggers won't last long before they are exposed. Good luck with however you proceed. |
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