KickMe
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| [Rant] Pseudoephedrine
First, I'm not a meth dealer or user, in fact I don't smoke, drink or like taking any medication.
I do however have horrible allergies and sinus headaches and the ONLY medication I have found that gives me relief is pseudoephedrine (sudafed).
First they moved this med behind the counter and made me sign for it and show my drivers license, and that was fine. Then they started limiting the amount I could purchase at one time and although inconvenient it was okay too. Now they tell me at three pharmacies that they can only give me what amounts to a four day supply in any 30 day period.
I bitched and moaned everywhere about this and was told by the pharmacists that it was a federal regulation. I called B.S. at one store and the pharmacist held fast and stated that they would probably eventually make it an illegal drug. However I cannot find anything online to confirm what I am being told, in fact it looks to me like this is just store policy.
In addition, in the past I have discussed my sinus problems with my doctor and he has given me prescriptions for many meds that just were not very effective or had side effects. At one point I was told that sinus surgery was an option but it was temporary relief as the problem would reoccur.
I hope everyone of these SOB store policy makers gets a painful health problem and is unable to find relief! |
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Rob
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The United States Congress has recognized the use of pseudoephedrine in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine. In late 2005, the Committee on Education and the Workforce heard testimony concerning education programs and state legislation designed to curb the use and manufacture of methamphetamine with pseudoephedrine-containing products. State laws in Oregon and Kansas were particularly influential in the proposed legislation.[citation needed] The House passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 ("CMEA") as an amendment to the renewal of the Patriot Act. Signed into law by president George W. Bush on March 6, 2006, the act amended the US Code (21 USC 830) concerning the sale of pseudoephedrine-containing products. The Federal statute included the following requirements for merchants ("regulated seller") who sell these products (pseudoephedrine is defined as a "scheduled listed chemical product under 21 USC 802(45(A)):
* A retrievable record of all purchases identifying the name and address of each party to be kept for two years.
* Required verification of proof of identity of all purchasers
* Required protection and disclosure methods in the collection of personal information
* Reports to the Attorney General of any suspicious payments or disappearances of the regulated products
* Required training of employees with regard to the requirements of the CMEA; Retailer must self-certify as to training and compliance
* Non-liquid dose form of regulated product may only be sold in unit dose blister packs
* Regulated products are to be stored behind the counter or in a locked cabinet in such a way as to restrict public access
* Daily sales of regulated products not to exceed 3.6 grams without regard to the number of transactions
* 30 day (not monthly) sales limit not to exceed 7.5 grams if sold by mail-order or "mobile retail vendor"
* 30 day PURCHASE limit not to exceed 9 grams of pseudoephedrine base in regulated products (misdemeanor possession offense under 21 USC 844a for the individual who buys it)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoephedrine
Seems like you should be blaming our wonderful Congress.
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craig70130
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New Orleans, LA | reply to KickMe
Your doctor can prescribe pseudoephedrine for you and those restrictions will be bypassed. |
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cvrefugee
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It's not the store's fault, they're just complying with the law. |
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craig70130
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New Orleans, LA | reply to KickMe
Let's see, if you take the maximum recommended dose, every day for an entire month, you are still under 8 grams. The legal limit is 9 grams. If you are taking more than that, your doctor definitely should be involved. |
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KickMe
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said by Rob  :Seems like you should be blaming our wonderful Congress. Don't know how I missed wiki in the google search.
But all these stores would sell is 48 of the 30 mg in a 30 day period or 1.44 grams, far under fed law, so it is just store policy.
said by craig70130 :Your doctor can prescribe pseudoephedrine for you and those restrictions will be bypassed. Thanks for the heads up as I was concerned due to what the last pharmacist said, that they were just going to stop manufacture and make it an illegal substance. |
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Jim Gurd
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I've said this before but it bears repeating. You are collateral damage in the "war" on drugs. I call it the war on freedom.
If people want to kill themselves with meth that's their problem and their choice to suffer the consequences. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect people from their own foolishness.
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tower29
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| I have my wife buy some at the same time. She does not use it so it saves having to go pick up more every two weeks or so. You can still buy it on line though without the limitation. Google is a wonderful tool for that. And of course the meth heads know that too. |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | reply to KickMe
you can still get these pseudoephedrine tabs by the bucketful[if you want] in canada(of course getting them back into america might be a problem)
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ykronic
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| said by dvd536 :you can still get these pseudoephedrine tabs by the bucketful[if you want] in canada(of course getting them back into america might be a problem) Yep customs has really been cracking down on the whole black market cold and sinus medication/smuggling ring  |
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mareastrum
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Saint Louis, MO
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Well, you can always do what people are doing here:
1) visit drug store
2) purchase the amount that you can legally have in a 30 day period
3) visit completely different drug store not affiliated with store 1
4) repeat step 1
5) continue with steps 1-4 until you have a nice healthy stash
Or you can recruit several of your friends to be your patsies and do your dirty work for you.
Otherwise, convince your doctor to write you a prescription. And don't believe everything the pharmacists tell you. They won't stop manufacturing the drug as long as the drug companies have the government in their pockets. |
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Matt
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| said by mareastrum :Well, you can always do what people are doing here: 1) visit drug store 2) purchase the amount that you can legally have in a 30 day period 3) visit completely different drug store not affiliated with store 1 4) repeat step 1 5) continue with steps 1-4 until you have a nice healthy stash Or you can recruit several of your friends to be your patsies and do your dirty work for you. Otherwise, convince your doctor to write you a prescription. And don't believe everything the pharmacists tell you. They won't stop manufacturing the drug as long as the drug companies have the government in their pockets. This is a *VERY* bad idea. Why do you think they take your driver's license, walk away, punch it into a computer, wait for the result, then come back and ring you up?
All the stores are tied into the same system. If you do this, you'll have a nice, late night, "knock" on your door by masked men yelling at you rather rudely.  |
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MadMANN
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said by Jim Gurd :If people want to kill themselves with meth that's their problem and their choice to suffer the consequences. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect people from their own foolishness. I agree with you in that the war on drugs is a waste of money and resources.
However, with meth, it isn't just about people killing themselves with the drug. The people who manufacture the drugs often do so in places close to where other people reside, which endangers the lives of anyone within a few blocks of them. A home meth lab is a very toxic environment and can cause a chemical explosion that can poison the air and potentially kill any man, woman, or child around.
There was a meth lab discovered nearby to me in a motel and the HazMat team was quoted as saying that they couldn't believe that the motel wasn't a pile of rubble because of the way the chemicals were stored and handled. I don't know about you, but that is a scary thought to me.
All that said, it is a sad day when you can't go to the pharmacy to get medicine that works well for your allergies because of the few that use it in ways that for which it was not intended. However, there are many prescription and non-prescription alternatives to Pseudoephedrine these days that tend to work just as well or better without the speed. It's kind of like when they took morphine off the shelves back in the day. There were people who said, "But it worked so well! Why do I have to suffer for it?". . . .Er, cause taking Morphine for a headache is like using dynamite to get rid of a bees nest? |
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Jim Gurd
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| said by MadMANN :A home meth lab is a very toxic environment and can cause a chemical explosion that can poison the air and potentially kill any man, woman, or child around. Yes, but if it was legal then it could be made openly in a factory with proper precautions taken and procedures for disposing of the hazardous waste. The very fact that it is illegal is contributing to the dangerous conditions you list.
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Jim Gurd
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said by MadMANN :All that said, it is a sad day when you can't go to the pharmacy to get medicine that works That reminds me of something else. I remember back 15-20 years ago you could go into most pharmacies and ask for cough medicine with codeine in it or diarrhea medicine that contained opiates. All you had to do was sign a book giving your name, address and age. Now it's impossible to get those types of medications without a doctor visit and a prescription. A needless expense just to fight the "war" on drugs.
I keep a bottle of cough medicine in my medicine cabinet at home. I don't need it very often but when I do it is the only thing I find that actually works. The over the counter stuff is useless. If I start to get low I just ask the doctor for a script the next time I visit him. It's a hassle but I see no other alternative the way things are now.
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MadMANN
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No, the people who break the law are the ones who create the dangerous conditions. You can't blame the law for those who break it.
Are we going to blame the violence that individuals commit for drugs on the fact that it was illegal to begin with? If so, then we are telling people that they are not responsible for their own actions.
The fact is, is that crack is illegal. The act of ingesting it is an individual choice, knowing that it is illegal and that it is potentially dangerous. Yet, if some addict kills someone to get money for it, the blame doesn't fall on the law for making it illegal in my eyes. |
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cvrefugee
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said by Jim Gurd :Yes, but if it was legal then it could be made openly in a factory with proper precautions taken and procedures for disposing of the hazardous waste. The very fact that it is illegal is contributing to the dangerous conditions you list. That's the worse exercise in logic I've ever seen. You want the creation of methamphetamine to be legal? Why? For what purpose? So you can get your psuedoephedrine fix without hassle at the pharmacy? |
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darcilicious
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said by Jim Gurd :If people want to kill themselves with meth that's their problem and their choice to suffer the consequences. It isn't the government's responsibility to protect people from their own foolishness. I'd be for all that too if only innocent bystanders weren't directly affected/injured by meth users  |
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Corona
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said by Matt :said by mareastrum :Well, you can always do what people are doing here: 1) visit drug store 2) purchase the amount that you can legally have in a 30 day period 3) visit completely different drug store not affiliated with store 1 4) repeat step 1 5) continue with steps 1-4 until you have a nice healthy stash Or you can recruit several of your friends to be your patsies and do your dirty work for you. Otherwise, convince your doctor to write you a prescription. And don't believe everything the pharmacists tell you. They won't stop manufacturing the drug as long as the drug companies have the government in their pockets. This is a *VERY* bad idea. Why do you think they take your driver's license, walk away, punch it into a computer, wait for the result, then come back and ring you up? All the stores are tied into the same system. If you do this, you'll have a nice, late night, "knock" on your door by masked men yelling at you rather rudely. Not here they're not. Only chain stores are connected to their same chain. That includes Wal*greens and our grocery HEB. I bought the large supply of mucinex with psuedophed at Walgreens. then drove down the street to HEB and bought another larger supply. Each store told me that they were only hooked into their own database, that there was no national or state level (texas) database tracking these purchases. |
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Matt
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| said by Corona :said by Matt :said by mareastrum :Well, you can always do what people are doing here: 1) visit drug store 2) purchase the amount that you can legally have in a 30 day period 3) visit completely different drug store not affiliated with store 1 4) repeat step 1 5) continue with steps 1-4 until you have a nice healthy stash Or you can recruit several of your friends to be your patsies and do your dirty work for you. Otherwise, convince your doctor to write you a prescription. And don't believe everything the pharmacists tell you. They won't stop manufacturing the drug as long as the drug companies have the government in their pockets. This is a *VERY* bad idea. Why do you think they take your driver's license, walk away, punch it into a computer, wait for the result, then come back and ring you up? All the stores are tied into the same system. If you do this, you'll have a nice, late night, "knock" on your door by masked men yelling at you rather rudely. Not here they're not. Only chain stores are connected to their same chain. That includes Wal*greens and our grocery HEB. I bought the large supply of mucinex with psuedophed at Walgreens. then drove down the street to HEB and bought another larger supply. Each store told me that they were only hooked into their own database, that there was no national or state level (texas) database tracking these purchases. You are correct. I was told by the Walgreen's girl that it was a federal program, but if you do a Google search it looks like it's been left up to the individual states. North Carolina does have a statewide tracking system.
So, I'll amend my above post to reflect that you better check your local state tracking capabilities before attempting this.
Thanks Corona. |
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