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Vomio

join:2008-04-01
reply to bassjunky
Re: Primus makes their CRTC filing

Probably because of Bell's pair of big brown beavers.

Now Wynona took her big brown beaver,
And she stuck him up in the air.
Said "I sure do love this big brown beaver
And I wish I did have a pair."


Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
reply to Mersault
It's GSM. They resell Rogers service with the Fido "core" footprint.


Mersault

join:2007-10-26
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to grayfox
said by grayfox See Profile :

Thank you Primus for doing the right thing.

edit: Does anyone know if their cellphone service is GSM or CDMA, If its CDMA I will probably switch from telus to them.
I'm pretty certain our service is GSM. I don't have anything to do with our cell service at all though, so I don't want to confirm anything absolutely.


grayfox

join:2007-12-10
Whitby, ON

1 edit
reply to Guspaz
Thank you Primus for doing the right thing.

edit: Does anyone know if their cellphone service is GSM or CDMA, If its CDMA I will probably switch from telus to them.


Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
reply to Guspaz
I've always found Primus very cool to deal with, very open and forthright with stuff that's going on and honest with their customers. This CRTC filing only further enforces how pleased I am to be a Primus customer.


emerald_b

join:2008-04-07
North York, ON

reply to Guspaz
This honestly made my day. I had like 3 hours of sleep and an early morning exam and have been feeling crappy, but this cheered me right up. Its nice to see that bell is getting called on their bs. I find the whole situation frustrating, and its a nice change of pace I hope it continues.
p.s. the dancing kitty is very cute:)

cacruden

join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
reply to Guspaz
I cannot see how CRTC cannot uphold the injunction request - until further investigation is done.... hopefully they will issue it shortly after next tuesday.


bassjunky

join:2005-05-12
Aubrey, TX
reply to Guspaz
I don't know why I thought this had to do with Les Claypool


Robrr

@rogers.com
reply to Guspaz
I'm glad to see Primus do this, definately is going to make it A LOT harder for Bell to prove its case


codecx

join:2007-04-16
North York, ON
reply to ShadPTR
Never had ill-will against Primus to begin with, but this is a very positive move they've made.

Thank you for doing the right thing, Primus.


ShadPTR

join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON
reply to Guspaz
Bravo Primus.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz
The CAIP did ask for an injunction, Primus just reinforced the importance of it; Primus didn't propose the injunction to begin with.

buttaknife

join:2007-06-01
reply to Guspaz
Here's hoping.


Trisomy21

join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON
reply to cacruden
Wow, this is great news. See Bell, this problem isn't going away. You implemented DPI without even informing us, hoping that nobody would notice lol. Fools.

cacruden

join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
reply to jfmezei
Your filing was listed "under" CAIP, do they just have to reply "generally" or specifically to each letter.


JOSHmxpx

@odim-spectrum.com

reply to Guspaz
Someone should make re-post the process that we were going through to voice our support on the CAIP filing, except change it so we can voice our support on the Primus filing now. The more support we give to each of these filings, the more likely CRTC is to side with us...


GearHead360

join:2002-12-14

3 edits
reply to GKC
Mad respect for Primus!

The funny thing is that Bell is sending me offers to switch to Sympatico in the mail LOL (first 3 months free lol) HELL NO!!!


GKC

join:2008-03-07
Toronto, ON

reply to The Flash
said by The Flash See Profile :

My respect for Primus just went up and my respect for Bell...I don't think it can get any lower.


The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
reply to Guspaz
My respect for Primus just went up and my respect for Bell...I don't think it can get any lower.


GearHead360

join:2002-12-14
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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reply to heavyduty
said by heavyduty See Profile :

said by jfmezei See Profile :

>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.
It adds quite important stuff. Firstly, they request the CRTC at least for the interim order throttling of GAS turned off. If you don't ask for it, CRTC could (and would) simply let Bell Canada continue wholesale throttling while this all plays out. Primus is correct to ask that while this plays out, to revert to no-throttling.

Secondly, point #12 is very appropriate -market forces alone cannot address the competitive impact Bell is unilaterally imposing on wholesalers.

As an example: prior to GAS throttling, TSI was able to differentiate itself from other ISPs by investing heavily in their Internet Transport infrastructure. This is a strategic choice TSI made to draw customers from other ISPs, including other wholesalers, Bell and Rogers.

Once GAS throttling was enabled, Bell automatically rendered the bulk of TSI's strategic investment and planning by marginalizing the positive effect TSI investment would have on TSI service. By throttling, Bell Canada has effectively cost TSI a huge amount of capital and recurring expense to which TSI is obligated per contracts to continue to finance. That's a lot of benefit for Bell Canada - make your competitor spend a ton of money and render that investment moot - thereby weakening your competitor through monopolistic tactics. Quite frankly, Bell Canada should be held culpable for their intentional lack of any forewarning to such a monstrous impact to GAS tarif service, and should be made to pay the costs TSI has incurred, and will incur to get out of their relevant long-term infrastructure commitments. To say "Sorry we regret not informing you" is not enough. Financially, legally, they have materially impacted GAS tarif service.

Many other ISPs are likely in the same situation. Blind-sided, and now weakened financially by Bell's throttling ambush. I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.
Thats exactly what I said in the beginning.
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