Confuzzle
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
hey guys i just got this and uninstalled it after an error when i tried to boot defrag ... (something about my HDD being locked or something?) .. and i decided it was probably due to poor configuration on my part so i read the pdf online and have a couple of questions before reinstalling ... how do i install using the config.ini? the only reason i wanna know is because i had read on perfectdisk something about boot optimization .. i can't remember anymore but it sounded good lol ... and what is the difference between "let perfectdisk manage" and "let perfectdisk manage all layout.ini files" .. like what do they both do? .. i don't understand the description they have for it ... and what is this active directory thing? .. is it really great? lol .. and if so where do i get this? .. im running xp sp2.
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AB
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said by ZZZZZZZ  : quote:
I defrag at an average of 10-20 times per week.
Thats insane . . . Yep, agreed.
I like to keep my defragging and bathing on similar schedules-- once every few months, whether I need to or not.
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Dustyn
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Re: [Update] PerfectDisk 2008 - Build 52
said by Anonymous_ :The device, \Device\Harddisk2\D, has a bad block. For more information, see Help and Support Center at » go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Product: Windows Operating System ID: 7 Source: Disk Version: 5.2 (formated with windows 2003) Symbolic Name: IO_ERR_BAD_BLOCK Message: The device, %1, has a bad block Looks like you hard drive has possible bad sectors on it which is why defragging is failing to run. |
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FutureMon
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
said by MrIcehouse :That was back in the day when Peter Norton was in control and the name Norton doesn't equal suck Agreed. As soon as Symantec took over, everything went downhill (from the inside out). I ended up leaving along with a lot of other people who didn't want to relocate to Cupertino. 
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cowboyro
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I leave the built-in XP defragger do the job.. it's fairly decent. In addition I have Sysinternals' (now MS) page defrag for boot-time defragging of page, hibernation and registry and for specific files/folders I use Sysinternals' contig (command line mode). |
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2 edits | reply to Dustyn
Re: [Update] PerfectDisk 2008 - Build 52
The device, \Device\Harddisk2\D, has a bad block.
For more information, see Help and Support Center at »go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Product: Windows Operating System
ID: 7
Source: Disk
Version: 5.2 (formated with windows 2003)
Symbolic Name: IO_ERR_BAD_BLOCK
Message: The device, %1, has a bad block |
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chrisretusn
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
Defragmenting is mostly hype. I rarely defragment my hard drives. When I do, I really see no performance improvement. If I have to use a utility to show the improvement, then whats the point. I do not use that utility everyday. Some folks are obsessed with organizing there files on disk. Some just like to see the neat display of the "fragmentation" and then the nice ordered display of defragmentation. Most computer users really have no need to defragment their hard drives.
Unless you are dealing with huge databases or large files that have continuous changing data the performance, regular fragmentation is not really necessary and you really won't see much of an improvement. While it is somewhat true that recovering a defragmented hard drive will be easier it is not a guarantee. In my experience unless you are willing to pay big bucks to a recovery data expert your data is lost and shame of you for not backing it up.
I have no problem with folks who feel the need, if it makes you feel better go for it. This is just my opinion, based on over 35 years working with computers.
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Dustyn
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Re: [Update] PerfectDisk 2008 - Build 52
said by Anonymous_ : it might only gain me a few mbyte/s doing it so why bother at all my does not work anyways That seems messed up... 
Do you get any errors in the event log as to why Microsoft Disk Defragmentor fails to start? In could be that the Microsoft Defragementor program (which is essentially DK-Lite included with Windows XP/Vista) has been replaced with the current full featured version of Diskeeper that came installed on your system? Perhaps this is why Microsoft's Disk Defrag (DK-Lite) now fails to function?
For those who are interested I use PerfectDisk 2008 Build 52 on Vista Ultimate x64 and I have it set to perform a "daily smart defrag". Anytime I reboot my system... it boots into the OS usually within 25-30 seconds. Without a daily defrag my system begins to slow down and subsequent reboots take longer to get to the desktop. I suppose I could easily deal with a weekly defrag but... I like to keep my hard disk organized automatically and kept at peak performance. Perfect Disk keeps Vista Ultimate x64 running mean 'n lean! I've also tried JKDefrag on my other XP Home SP2 rig. For a free program it does a tremendous job at thoroughly defragging that PC! |
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MrIcehouse
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
That was back in the day when Peter Norton was in control and the name Norton doesn't equal suck |
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mgbaker
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said by bruzzes :I defrag at an average of 10-20 times per week. I have done so since 1993 with two computers owned over that time span. That is so very unnecessary. Really. Especiallly, when using NTFS. |
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Re: [Update] PerfectDisk 2008 - Build 52
it might only gain me a few mbyte/s doing it so why bother at all
my does not work anyways
i also borke an drive 8 year old Western digital click, click, click....
it will work for 15 to 30 min's but i am too lazy to get any data off of it right now no Important Data just cd-keys etc...
after disk defragging
so your not safe :P ether way
i use disk keeper i got it for free with an computer that was free to me |
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FutureMon
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
Back in the day of Norton Speed Disk, one of the main reasons to Defrag was because for recoverability purposes, it's better to have your files in contiguous space.
If you had a HDD crash, you could fire up the Norton Disk Editor, go into physical disk mode, check the FAT for the starting cylinder/sector of your important file(s), then copy them off to floppy.
If these files were fragmented all over the place, you'd have to copy them off in multiple seperate passes of sectors-at-a-time, so it made it important to have a defragged drive as often as possible.
I worked for Peter Norton back then and I had to walk some users through this process of grabbing files off their HDD in physical mode, so I made it a point to tell them to defrag as often as possible in the future.
My bro and I had our systems set up so that when we went to shut them down, they'd do a quick defrag before turning off.
Nowadays, the built in XP defrag, doesn't seem to do as good of a job - still leaves stuff fragmented to my chagrin  but I've never evaluated any other optimizers once I moved to 2000/XP.
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bruzzes
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said by La Luna :said by bruzzes :I defrag at an average of 10-20 times per week.... Out of curiosity, why so often?  No real reason...
Maybe the one offered by another poster is as good as another...
The point being that excessive defraging does not neccesarily toast a hard drive.
(I love general statements)
For myself, there seems to be little if any measurable improvement whether one defrags every day or once a month with XP.
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acuraman
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I also use JkDefrag but I only run it once a month maybe every 2 months depending on my mood.
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ZZZZZZZ
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quote:
I defrag at an average of 10-20 times per week.
Thats insane,I defrag once a week,if I think about it.
I use JkDefrag now after having used most of the others over the years,Diskeeper,Vopt,Speed-disk,and find that it does a great job.
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nwrickert
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FAT and FAT32 file systems need periodic defragging, mostly due to inadequacies in the file system design. A decent file system should not require defragging. As far as I know, NTFS is a decent file system. I never bother to defrag.
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I've learned to look at what is fragmented and make a decision based on that.
Years ago I used to just see the number/percentage of fragmentation and react to that. Then I made some adjustments.
I began downloading things to a main drive folder, then cut/paste them over to the storage drive. That step essentially defragged the file in the move. So my storage drives almost never need a defrag.
When I look at the fragmentation list (I use PD), most of the time it is Microsoft files that account for most if not all of items. (The Restore files seem always to be a big part).
So I have really slowed down on the number of times I defrag the drive. Maybe every 2 or 3 months, and that is usually because saved games has gotten messy.
Other files that tend to be fragmented are dealt with by using CCleaner, which removes the older AV update packages, and the temporary Java packages.
I may find something like 2000 fragmented files, that after I move things to storage and run CCleaner, the new fragmented files found has dropped to 6 or 700, and since I don't really use or access those files, I don't need to defrag just to make them neat. And my work-units for Folding at home are "self-cleaning" deleted when sent back to Stanford, so I ignore them also.
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quatrix
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said by bruzzes :I defrag at an average of 10-20 times per week. I have done so since 1993 with two computers owned over that time span. Each computer has been used for over 7 years before being replaced. I have been following these types of discussions for 15 years. I have never had a hard drive problem. My stats are similar to yours, except that I defrag once every few months. I've also never had a hard drive problem, and there's no noticeable difference in performance after a defrag. And of course I didn't waste a bunch of time defragging. |
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Re: [Update] PerfectDisk 2008 - Build 52
said by howie :I'd have to disagree. A fragmented drive will cause more wear and tear than running defragmentation software on a regular basis. Highly fragmented drives cause the read/write heads to jump all over the platters as fragmented files are read. I have six year old 80GB drive that's been running almost daily and defragmented weekly (or more often) and it still has zero bad sectors. I agree with you. I had become lazy with defragging one of my drives that gets a lot of use. When I noticed it wasn't working quite as fast as it had in the past, I decided to defrag it, as I knew it had been a while. It was something like 50% fragmented. So, I ran Auslogics and got it down to 44%. Did it again, got in down to 42%. Did it one more time, was down to 41%. Realizing that I wasn't getting anywhere, I formatted the sucker, and started fresh.
I think I'll be running the defrag 2x/month on that drive from now on.
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dadkins
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Re: [Discussion] Defragging Opinions
Looks like I really should defrag, eh? 
A defragged drive runs less to do the same job.
Overall, defragging lowers wear and tear on the drive.
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