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CableTool
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1 edit | AT&T UVerse vs. Comcast HSI Split from this topic --> »Bye bye Comcast and moved from the TV Forum where it was off topic for the forum.
Yeah, the option for slower internet and limited HD streams (WHAT?) should be available to EVERYONE!
NEWLY RELEASED OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL!!
Who is with me!!!!
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool  :Yeah, the option for slower internet and limited HD streams (WHAT?) should be available to EVERYONE! NEWLY RELEASED OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL!! Who is with me!!!! Gotta agree with you on this one, particulary from reading about U-verse (TV) on several other forums.
From what seems to be a majority of complaints about it, the HD picture quality is NOTHING to brag about. And the fact you can get ONE whole HD stream at once into your house - PULEASE!  | |
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast I agree. I didnt like the 1HD stream either. They are supposed to add another one sometime this year.
The HD quality of Comcast is a little better than Uverse. Not enough to say WOW.
Uverse standard definition channels such as Sci-fi is much clearer on Uverse than Comcasts. | |
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imrf
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by ggarcia : They are supposed to add another one sometime this year. There was a user over at Uverseforums that said he saw a test showing 3 HD streams and 2 SD stream all at once without pair-bonding. It would be nice to have that go live, if it does, I'll give it a shot. | |
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CableTool
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| said by imrf :AT&T offers a faster tier of internet service than Comcast does. AT&T offers a 10Mbps/1Mbps tier, Comcast doesn't. PowerBoost isn't even close to the same thing. Also, all of AT&T's U-Verse tiers are 1Mbps up, something that Comcast doesn't believe in. I do agree with you on the 1 HD stream, that does suck. One of the reasons why I don't have the service myself. As for the quality of the HD, I've seen it in action and compared it to Comcast at one house and WOW at another, and it looked the same or extremely similar at both locations. I guess comcast doesnt offer 16/2? Oh wait.. they do.
Its just a shame to come out with something everyone has been waiting for and have it already be a waste and struggeling to catch up.
We get win backs every day. Average time they have had U-Verse? Usually a week.
I argued with one of our subs the other day as I was with my tech installing a 5th HD box. He brought up U-Verse. I told him what I thought. That they are already BEHIND in the game when everyone else is busy one upping each other, U-Verse is stuck trying to keep up with technology from 5 years ago.
He stated his neighbor got it and liked it. I stated the HD limitation since its what we were there for. He stated "My Neighbor got 3 HD DVRs installed with is package!" to which I stated thats great.. but you can only enjoy one HD stream at a time. He didnt believe me. He kept saying "But he has 3 HD DVRS!!!" I stated "You have FIVE.. and you can watch them all at once, while surfing at full speed and talking on the phone. Not one service affects another."
He just didnt get it. He will be another week long U-Verse customer. 
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1 edit | Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :I guess comcast doesnt offer 16/2? Oh wait.. they do. Not in Michigan they don't. Do they offer it in non-FiOs areas?
We get win backs every day. Average time they have had U-Verse? Usually a week. I'm sure the same thing happens for RCN, WOW, AT&T and so on.
I stated "You have FIVE.. and you can watch them all at once, while surfing at full speed and talking on the phone. Not one service affects another." Same with U-Verse. None of the service overlap. I don't even know why you brought that up.
He will be another week long U-Verse customer. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf :said by CableTool :I guess comcast doesnt offer 16/2? Oh wait.. they do. Not in Michigan they don't. Do they offer it in non-FiOs areas? We get win backs every day. Average time they have had U-Verse? Usually a week. I'm sure the same thing happens for RCN, WOW, AT&T and so on. I stated "You have FIVE.. and you can watch them all at once, while surfing at full speed and talking on the phone. Not one service affects another." Same with U-Verse. None of the service overlap. I don't even know why you brought that up. He will be another week long U-Verse customer. Maybe, maybe not. The entire Chicago Region has 16/2. No Verizon in site.
I brought up the use of all service at once because U-Verse limits what you can view in regards to HD. If one has nothing to do with the other then I should be watching HD on 5 sets if I want to.
For a new product, newish technology being launched to compete in a "new" market, U-Verse is wildly unpolished.
Im not bashing competition. Im bashing an unfinished product.
If Verizon launched I wouldnt be saying a peep.
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imrf
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :The entire Chicago Region has 16/2. Good for Chicago, the OP is in Michigan, which doesn't have 16/2 in it's sight.
I brought up the use of all service at once because U-Verse limits what you can view in regards to HD. If one has nothing to do with the other then I should be watching HD on 5 sets if I want to. And that still makes no sense. Having 3 services has nothing to do with why only 1 HD stream is allowed. Everything has an allocated bandwidth allotment. They have the capability of doing more than 1 HD stream now, but from what I understand is it's a software issue on their gear. They have demoed 3 HDs and 2 SD on the current setup, and they could do more potentially with pair bonding. But lets face it, very few have more than 1 HD set and very few record more than 2 shows at once. I'm not using that as an excuse or anything like that.
Im bashing an unfinished product. So do you bash Comcast's unfinished products? Face it, there is no tv or sat provider that has a "finished" product. They are all works in progress. Apparently not a whole lot are concerned about only 1 HD stream, since AT&T is installing a ton of people per week, regardless of your claimed win-back numbers. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf :said by CableTool :The entire Chicago Region has 16/2. Good for Chicago, the OP is in Michigan, which doesn't have 16/2 in it's sight. I brought up the use of all service at once because U-Verse limits what you can view in regards to HD. If one has nothing to do with the other then I should be watching HD on 5 sets if I want to. And that still makes no sense. Having 3 services has nothing to do with why only 1 HD stream is allowed. Everything has an allocated bandwidth allotment. They have the capability of doing more than 1 HD stream now, but from what I understand is it's a software issue on their gear. They have demoed 3 HDs and 2 SD on the current setup, and they could do more potentially with pair bonding. But lets face it, very few have more than 1 HD set and very few record more than 2 shows at once. I'm not using that as an excuse or anything like that. Im bashing an unfinished product. So do you bash Comcast's unfinished products? Face it, there is no tv or sat provider that has a "finished" product. They are all works in progress. Apparently not a whole lot are concerned about only 1 HD stream, since AT&T is installing a ton of people per week, regardless of your claimed win-back numbers. Sorry to hear about Michigans speed issue. It still doesnt change U-Verses lacking speeds across the board. Comcast is launching 16/2 cross country, FIOS or not ( I hate people talking about something they know nothing about ) Trialing 50/5 and Verizon is offering AMAZING tiers... and U-Verse puts their foot in the door lack lusterly.
Your a big AT&T fan. Thats GREAT! God Bless. Dont get up my ass about it?
AT&T BURSTS ONTO THE SCENE with 10/1.5. If that impresses you, thats great. The fact that its still distance limited is also comical.
I didnt say U-Verse wasnt installing people left and right. Most providers are. With new residents, churn, win backs, everyone is installing each day. I see the winbacks because of the possibility for a botched install post U-Verse affect the plant. We have to keep track of them.
I just think for a provider to come into todays market with limited streams, SD and HD, slower speeds and still the same limitations theyve always dealt with is an odd move.
Verizon did it right. AT&T did it half ass and are working to get up to par AFTER their launch. In my eyes its as limiting as Dish is. Im sure it fits a certain market. Competition is great. Weak competition is even greater.
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scooby
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast I'm unfortunately stuck with Comcast until I can get my HOA to agree to let me put up a dish for D*. If uverse was available, I would definitely give it a try. I've never had a single issue with AT&T dsl while Comcast speeds and latency are always jumping around. AT&T dsl is also much cheaper.
Cheaper, more stable and reliable, no hidden caps, hmm sounds like a no brainer. Seven plus years and no issues. I could care less about speed. I want low latency, nearly 100% uptime, and cheap.
Cabletool, wasn't it you that said Comcast is not doing 3:1 in the Chicago land area? Why are we seeing it here in Schaumburg? I can confirm it and numerous others here have. Its pathetic. | |
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grcore
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by scooby :I'm unfortunately stuck with Comcast until I can get my HOA to agree to let me put up a dish for D*. You may want to check the FCC regulations on this, as usually they cannot prohibit this.
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| said by CableTool :Your a big AT&T fan. Wrong, I'm not.
The fact that its still distance limited is also comical. Again, wrong. If you can get U-Verse, you can get all the speed tiers that they offer.
I just think for a provider to come into todays market with limited streams, SD and HD, slower speeds and still the same limitations theyve always dealt with is an odd move. I'm sure they did tons of survey to see how many tvs people have and watch at the same time and figured what they could offer at launch was acceptable, and clearly it is. Certainly not to the techie, but to their target customer, the average joe.
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| said by CableTool :The entire Chicago Region has 16/2. No Verizon in site. sorry offtopic.
we have 16/2 in Chicago market? I guess i missed something. | |
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CableTool
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join:2004-11-12 | Re: Bye bye Comcast I guess you did. | |
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| speeds in Michigan are fine
mind you i live in a large apartment community in the 'burbs of Grand rapids
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Ive seen d/l speeds 2-3 times fast as this in other parts of grand rapids | |
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imrf
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Utica, MI | Re: Bye bye Comcast So what? That's PowerBoost, which is a joke. It only covers the first 20MB of a file, and fools everyone doing speed tests. | |
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Springfield, IL | Remember, they are always right, and you are always wrong. Then again, they do not know when to stop when the Tech holding the equipment can walk out with all of it, and stop the job. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Bye bye Comcast Also, due to the use of interleaving, the pings on Uverse are at a minimum around 60ms to servers that are close to the user. Forget trying to get good pings to the other coast. | |
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imrf
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by reelbigfish :Also, due to the use of interleaving, the pings on Uverse are at a minimum around 60ms to servers that are close to the user. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Go look at the traces from people who actually have the service. It's actually a third of what you claim. | |
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Boston, MA | Re: Bye bye Comcast Actually I know people in CT that have Uverse and their pings are close to 60ms. If you aren't right next to the VRAD, things can get pretty hairy with the pings. | |
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast Typing ADSL2 into Google image search gives me a bunch of graphs like this which gives me the idea there is a distance limitation unless ATT will stream you 1 SD channel and 256Kbps internet if your 2 miles from the VRAD. | |
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imrf
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Utica, MI | Re: Bye bye Comcast Read up on how AT&T has deployed their network then you might understand how distance won't effect U-Verse. | |
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Brandon, MS | Re: Bye bye Comcast imrf is like a modern day Robin Hood. Congrats on doing your part to bring awareness to the dirty deeds of the evil cable company!!! You, sir, are a crusader!! | |
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CableTool
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1 edit | Re: Bye bye Comcast said by TopDog :imrf is like a modern day Robin Hood. Congrats on doing your part to bring awareness to the dirty deeds of the evil cable company!!! You, sir, are a crusader!! Haha. Thats a little dramatic?
Which part was better? The part where IMRF thinks Comcast only offers 8/768 and doesnt believe in 1mb up. Even though they are currently rolling out 2mb up across the country?
The part where IMRF thinks that 16/2 is ONLY Offered in Fios areas.. which it most certainly is not.
Or the part where IMRF agreed that the HD limitations are ridiculous?
And then has the nerve to back up their decision by stating they most likely did a survey and found out people rarely have more then one HD set and wouldnt NEED more then one stream possible.. although they are working feverishly on allowing more.. for some unknown reason. Because there OBVIOUSLY isnt a demand for it...
Well, people rarley use more then 1mb up or down in daily surfing... but that doesnt stop people from masturbating to FIOS?
Really TopDog.. thats silly.
said by imrf : AT&T offers a faster tier of internet service than Comcast does. AT&T offers a 10Mbps/1Mbps tier, Comcast doesn't. PowerBoost isn't even close to the same thing. Also, all of AT&T's U-Verse tiers are 1Mbps up, something that Comcast doesn't believe in. said by imrf :said by CableTool :I guess comcast doesnt offer 16/2? Oh wait.. they do. Not in Michigan they don't. Do they offer it in non-FiOs areas? Uh... yeah.. they do.
said by imrf :I do agree with you on the 1 HD stream, that does suck. One of the reasons why I don't have the service myself. So then why the arguing?
said by imrf :said by Greg_Z :And, what really gets me, is the number of people that go into a CATV provider forum, and Troll about Satellite, or the competition to impress others. Could be worse, could get the trolls that bash something they don't know anything about. Try and call me a troll all you want, I have WOW cable, but I can't stand ignorance, and seeing some of the dumb comments posted in this thread just shows how ignorant some are to other choices. Like someone saying Comcast doesnt believe in any higher tiers and that AT&T is faster then Comcast?
»Discuss 16/2 or 12/2 speed tiers here, please
»DOCSIS 3.0 "wideband" Service starting with Twin Cities
»Comcast Offers 50Mbps
Tallyho....
Again, Im all for competition. I dont bash just to bash because Im a Shill or Fan Boy. I am a fan of the industry. This includes FIOS and now U-Verse. Fios is great, needs some work on their VOD offerings and a few other Video limitations, U-Verse needs work in every aspect of their offerings.
Thats my bottomline.
Quick edit-
Another note mirroring the sentiments in this thread.
»U-Verse Expands In Michigan | |
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hitachi369
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :Haha. Thats a little dramatic? Which part was better? The part where IMRF thinks Comcast only offers 8/768 and doesnt believe in 1mb up. Even though they are currently rolling out 2mb up across the country? The part where IMRF thinks that 16/2 is ONLY Offered in Fios areas.. which it most certainly is not. Well its all really a moot point when comcast doesnt offer it in our area. But how much do you want to bet that we will see it soon? Because of competition or normal upgrades? Who knows and who cares, all I have to say is we don't have it now.
said by CableTool :Or the part where IMRF agreed that the HD limitations are ridiculous? And then has the nerve to back up their decision by stating they most likely did a survey and found out people rarely have more then one HD set and wouldnt NEED more then one stream possible.. although they are working feverishly on allowing more.. for some unknown reason. Because there OBVIOUSLY isnt a demand for it... Well, people rarley use more then 1mb up or down in daily surfing... but that doesnt stop people from masturbating to FIOS? How many HD streams do you realistically watch? I'm sure you will inflate the number and say everyone in your house needs a 3 HD shows on all the time, but when push comes to shove how many HD streams do you think the average person watches? I can say right now, I may use a HD stream 1/8 of the time, am I an anomaly? Maybe
CableTool, I love your clear and non-bias issues you bring to the table.
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1 edit | Re: Bye bye Comcast 1 HD stream at a time would be a dealbreaker for me. There are many times where we are recording 2 shows at once, and even then still have conflicts at times with a 3rd show we want to record. On top of that, I haven't heard good things about the HD quality. I'm sure it will be a lot more attractive when they remedy these things, but then again it's not even an option here so the point is really moot. | |
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CableTool
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| I may be the only one Non-Biased?
I dont watch HD at all. I have two HD tvs and rarely watch anything HD. What "I" do isnt the issue however. Much as YOUR viewing habits arent the issue since we are speaking of an industry.
What is offered in Grand Rapids and what Comcast Offers might be two different things. Im certainly not speaking to Michigans offerings however? Im speaking to the industry. And again, with everyone ramping up speed tiers, BURSTING onto the scene with 10/1.5 as your highest tier is weak.
Everyone walks around wearing your "local" blinders. I cant speak to what each and every local area offers or how they operate. I can speak to what companies offer in regards to setting industry standards.
16/2 will be in Michigan soon enough most likely, and U-Verse will shortly be behind. Again.
AT&T U-Verse launched in my area, Non verizon. They are already the slowest internet for the money. Behind RCN, WOW and Comcast. And with their current set up, limiting how many sets, SD, HD you can actually have on at the same time.
Im I the ONLY ONE that thinks that is archaic?
It might be a great fit, t might be cheaper for your ( although from what Im seeing its on par or more expensive then the alternatives ) thats great. It doesnt change the fact that it seems like a really crappy roll out of a half baked product.
I hope Im wrong. I hope they step up. Once they do they might be taken seriously and we might see cable companies stepping up yet again to surpass them. Thats what keeps all the consumers winning.
But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it?
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imrf
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it? It's only sub-par in your eyes, and the really technically proficient people. The majority of the target audience doesn't have HD. But the included DVR that records 4 shows at once is a huge hit. Why you can't look past that is beyond me.
It's not like Comcast's, RCN's, or even WOW's products are vastly superior. They all have their flaws. But I guess it's hard to see past the company blinders, eh? | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf :said by CableTool :But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it? It's only sub-par in your eyes, and the really technically proficient people. The majority of the target audience doesn't have HD. But the included DVR that records 4 shows at once is a huge hit. Why you can't look past that is beyond me. It's not like Comcast's, RCN's, or even WOW's products are vastly superior. They all have their flaws. But I guess it's hard to see past the company blinders, eh? You can spin it any way you want. "The majority of the target audience doesnt have HD" ? Where do you get that from?
How is AT&T actively targeting NON-HD subscribers?
Also, in speaking of internet offerings, which I clearly did, the previously mentioned cablecos ARE vastly superior to U-Verse.
A DVR that records 4 programs at once IS great. But Ill play your game and be the devils advocate here.
The average tv viewer will never have any need to record 4 programs at once.
See how that logic makes absolutely NO SENSE?
Making up nonesense statistics doesnt really make it so.
Recording 4 shows at once begs the question ( since I do not have U-Verse ) will recording 4 shows = 4 streams leaving you only with one? So say you have a DVR and 3 SD boxes, if your DVR is working on 4 recordings does that mean you can only watch one show on another box?
This entire thread prety much echoes my thoughts or views on U-Verse. And its by people who actually have it or have had it.
»U-Verse = Unfinished product
From working in this industry for 14 years I can see the pitfalls without ever seeing the service. Even on paper it is flawed as a competitor. But even AT&Ts own U-Verse subs state the same obvious flaws.
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For the last time, take the TV discussion to the TV Forum and keep the HSI discussion here. | |
| rody_44
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Quakertown, PA | i dont know. less then 400 thousand subscribers and having that many complaints would make me stay clear of it. | |
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| At our house, we have one HD-DVR and use it to record 2 HD channels all the time. Even when we don't record on both tuners, we might record on one tuner and watch HD VOD on the other tuner. We might even get a second HDTV and get another HD-DVR. As far as HSI goes, we have the standard 6 Mbps/768 Kbps, and with powerboost speeds average 20-25 Mbps/2-3 Mbps. We can download a 4-5 GB HD movie on Xbox Live marketplace in 15-25 minutes. U-verse isn't available, so the fastest speed they currently offer is 6 Mbps/512 Kbps which is more expensive than Comcast and is slower as well. By the time U-verse gets here with 10/1 and possibly 2-3 HD streams, Comcast will have deployed DOCSIS 3.0 and gotten WAY ahead of U-verse. By the time FIOS gets where I live, my kids will of had kids, grand kids, great grand kids, greatgreat grand kids and so on. | |
| rody_44
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Quakertown, PA | man i never knew how bad uverse was. thats a shit product in my eyes. | |
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