QuickSurfer
join:2001-12-15
Georgetown, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ--
Just released by the Azureus Software team.
WORST OFFENDERS
ISP Country Reset %
Comcast USA 23.72%
Cogeco Canada 19.13%
Emirates Internet UAE 17.86%
Cablevision USA 17.58%
Brasil Telecom Santa Catarina, Brazil 17.43%
TM Net Malaysia 16.80%
BellSouth USA 15.88%
Tedata Egypt 15.33%
Tiscali UK 14.89%
AOL USA 14.88%
GOOD ISPs
ISP Country Reset %
Telecom Italia France France 2.53%
Orange Nederland The Netherlands 2.57%
WiLine USA 2.78%
Telefonica Germany 3.60%
Freenet Germany 4.21%
"TCP resets seem to be more common for American ISPs, and Comcast leads the bunch. The Azureus team has sent a letter to Cablevision, Cogeco, BellSouth and AOL, where they request that the companies are open about their BitTorrent throttling practices. Thus far, the ISPs have not responded to the letters."
»torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-thro···-080421/
»torrentfreak.com//images/vuze-pl···ults.pdf |
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beatsnpieces
join:2007-12-17
| Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section...
/endsarcasm |
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ilnexistepas
| Hey Kids,
Creating FUD is so much fun to do! |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | 19.13% what? Without a method of reference, those 'statistics' are meaningless. You should update your post with a little more explanation... |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to beatsnpieces
said by beatsnpieces  :Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section.../endsarcasm Oh, look, it's sarcasm... I guess low-brow 'humour' is making a comeback.
Went on to read the PDF since I find this topic interesting, as I haven't been able to seed worth shit for a while now...
a) 22 users is a large sample set considering this was a *beta* test of the plugin and we're talking about testing on a global scale.
b) Expect this number to grow as this information is becoming public, especially with the aid of Michael Geist's blog which has a very large audience. I've already seen a few facebook notes posted to his blog entry on Cogeco, so expect this knowledge to grow as well.
c) Why don't you test it, and see for yourself? |
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ancodia
join:2006-07-10
·Cogeco Cable
3 edits | reply to beatsnpieces
It's not that sample size that is important. its the fact that a 3rd party confirmed what we all suspected, that Cogeco throttles p2p (and who knows what else). And why don't we know for sure? Because Cogeco won't tell anybody what they are doing to the data you transmit over the network. |
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pat_lc2000
join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON | reply to QuickSurfer
It's really a bad study, not because of the size...but because Azureus has done it.
Most bittorrenters have long changed to utorrent which is less of a resource hog then Azureus. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| That's... not a very intelligent conclusion.
Azureus is an extremely well programmed application, but resides on Java for portability so it can be utilized on practically every operating system. This java requirement is what utilizes a great deal of RAM (not resources), and only about 128mb stock which can be easily lowered to 53mb.
Azureus/Vuze is also GPL'd open source, so you can clearly see the code yourself, to determine if it's up to your quality of coding (although I'm fairly sure you're not a programmer)... while uTorrent is completely closed source.
Furthermore, a recent study put uTorrent at 12% of the market share of P2P applications, while Azureus has 5%. That's hardly 'most bittorrenters'. Another study by Digital Music News found Azureus had 3.2% installation base while uTorrent had only a 2.7% installation base. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| said by urbanriot :That's... not a very intelligent conclusion. No, but the intelligent conclusion as to why this is a bad study is because it was only using one method to determine throttling, while leaving out all other methods. The very fact that Rogers and Bell - the two largest and well-known BT throttlers in this country who are far larger than Cogeco - shows that this "study" really doesn't give a fair indication of what's going on in the industry, though it does indeed prove that Cogeco is throttling connections, albeit in a very sinister way that makes proper traffic shaping look pretty.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
| reply to QuickSurfer
We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: »more P2P Interference - Cogeco
The report is seriously flawed in it's methodology and data collection. It doesn't take into account other factors that can contribute to packets being reset and it doesn't look at TCP packets only (it collected data for ALL network connections).
In addition, the data was collected from the users PC versus somewhere on the network, which is also the wrong way to do it.
Packet capturing from your PC doesn't prove throttling. It may help prove it, but it's too biased. |
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ancodia
join:2006-07-10
1 edit | Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. |
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dad_of_3
join:2004-05-31
SE Ontario
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by ancodia :Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. I agree...Personally I'm getting tired of the rhetoric..Some people seem to be having issues, others are not ..IF they are throttling, it is obviously not across the board, unlike Bell(so far :-/ )..
To the people with issues, that's too bad (no sarcasm intended)I don't have any issues, so don't crap on myself and those of us that don't. |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to Deadpool
said by Deadpool :We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: There's no ripping anything apart... it's you suggesting that the data collection is flawed, and that the debate should start after your post and a couple people responding. All I see in that thread is some anecdotal suggestions that the collection methods are flawed... |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
1 edit | reply to ancodia
said by ancodia :Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. Well, the did publicly respond:
Marie Carrier, a spokesperson for Cogeco, said the company does not use false resets. Cogeco likely ranked poorly in Vuze's study because of the small number of customers who took part.
"The sampling was not really representative.… We don't do that type of intentional interruption," she said. "It's not conclusive." So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use? |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot :said by Deadpool :We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: There's no ripping anything apart... it's you suggesting that the data collection is flawed, and that the debate should start after your post and a couple people responding. All I see in that thread is some anecdotal suggestions that the collection methods are flawed... Ok, fine. I started ripping it apart.
Better?  |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | said by Deadpool :Better? Hah, Yes! (Good attitude!) |
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T9
@cgocable.net
| reply to ancodia
Well, they've told me in the past, when I asked, that they do not throttle. I was clear, and the response was clear, and I didn't get the impression that he was lying. The data is questionable, so it needs to be looked into further, but Cogeco has been the best ISP I've seen so far (in my area anyway), so I'm really hoping they're not throttling. |
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ixiom
join:2004-06-30
Hamilton, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to QuickSurfer
I've been kinda going through this for a bit, trying to get the straight answer from Cogeco..and it's not easy - check out »Any options for (non-throttled) High speed (DSL, Cable)?
if you're interested.
Bottom line though is that it's difficult to get a qualified YES or NO from them...Mostly it's "Not that I'm aware of" or "I can't confirm or deny that..I don't know".
Having the spokesperson say that though is interesting. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot :So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use? Hot damn! I think this is the first time Cogeco has officially said anything in response to the throttling allegations. Sure it wasn't conclusive and may have brought up more questions than it answered, but they did indeed answer!
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buckwheat
join:1999-12-26
Flushing, NY | u will neva get a deff answer because there is a liabilty issue saying yes means they will be sued for tryin to control the internet |
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