Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...

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asdfdfdfdfdf @Level3.net from: wtansill	reply to bicker Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy... "what they're offering is the best any supplier is willing to provide you." You completely ignore the effects of market power and the way that such conditions can lock out competitors. There can be enormous barriers to entry for new businesses. This has nothing to do with what a supplier is willing to do and everything to do with whether one has any chance of overcoming the advantages that previous entrants have in the market.
asdfdfdfdfdf @Level3.net from: wtansill	to forum · permalink · 2008-04-22 20:36:16 ·
bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA ·Verizon FIOS	Barriers to entry don't constitute any obligation owed to you. There are multiple suppliers in areas where sufficient profit motive is offered. So the blame for a lack of suppliers of the specific type of Internet service you want, high-speed Internet, rests squarely on CONSUMERS resisting those offerings at the price they're being offered at.
bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA ·Verizon FIOS	to forum · permalink · · 2008-04-23 06:21:04 ·
RainWind join:2000-10-20 Van Wert, OH	People have no alternative options because competition is blocked. You argument really holds no water, you just seem to like telling people they have a childish "give me now" mentality when that isn't even the case. We either need more regulation or the government needs to piss off and let other companies move in to compete when and how they please. No more slapping Verizon's hand for offering special deals to customer's who have initiated a port out request. No blocking of new competition. No more regulating what a company can charge. Telco's can't just drop their pricing at will to compete with cable. All people are asking for is a little pro-consumer regulation because one company is given a monopoly in an specific area and there is no alternate provider because of it. The blame is not on the consumers. The problem is regulation and the local government pushing away competition. Your argument might have a point, if it wasn't for the fact that the reason competition doesn't move in has to do with government and regulation. Verizon can't just waltz into a town and start laying fiber. Either competition needs to stop getting cock blocked, or the government needs to go one step further with regulation.
RainWind join:2000-10-20 Van Wert, OH	to forum · permalink · · 2008-04-23 08:59:39 ·
bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA ·Verizon FIOS	Competition is not blocked. That's a cop-out business-haters use to distort the issue. Competition is what it is, and it is what it is because that's how much profit there is in offering competing services. You call it "pro-consumer regulation" but what it really is is Big Brother interfering with business. And look at the REALITY... thirty years and counting of a pro-business perspective in this country and there are still people like you who refuse to acknowledge it. Even the Democrats are pro-business now.
bicker join:2007-05-10 Burlington, MA ·Verizon FIOS	to forum · permalink · · 2008-04-23 13:51:19 ·
asdfdfdfdfdfdf @Level3.net	reply to bicker "Barriers to entry don't constitute any obligation owed to you." I don't know why you are accusing me of making such an argument. That isn't my argument. "There are multiple suppliers in areas where sufficient profit motive is offered" Again you ignore the way things like network effects and first mover advantage drastically alters the economic calculations for those wishing to enter the market after the first mover is established and impose a quite different set of costs on those trying to compete with the dominant player. Is "sufficient profit" something that is probable or even possible or is it something absurd? Of course any barriers can be overcome by an extreme enough set of circumstances(such as if everyone was willing to pay a million dollars a month for an internet connection) but that doesn't mean such things will happen with any set of probable real world parameters.
asdfdfdfdfdfdf @Level3.net	to forum · permalink · 2008-04-23 19:34:04 ·


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