espaeth
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Re: Ottowa? Like Woshington?
said by GKC  :The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its inception in 1995. The Internet (formerly Arpanet) was made available to commercial investment in 1988.
said by GKC :Canada's largest telephone and cable company Bell Canada and Rogers Communications Inc., want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which websites go fast or slow and which ones won't load at all. When did Bell and Rogers start acting on port 80 traffic? |
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GKC
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| said by espaeth :said by GKC :The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its inception in 1995. The Internet (formerly Arpanet) was made available to commercial investment in 1988. said by GKC :Canada's largest telephone and cable company Bell Canada and Rogers Communications Inc., want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which websites go fast or slow and which ones won't load at all. When did Bell and Rogers start acting on port 80 traffic? Well, actually, the Internet has been in existence since 1969.
"The Internet was built by some clever folks at BBN Corporation for the Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA, now DARPA), part of the United States Department of Defense, and was mainly used by academics to share research through the end of the 1980's..." The World Wide Web came into existence in 1995. The Internet and WWW are concievably one-and-the-same, although they are two different identities.
In essence, Rogers and Bell want to dominate and dictate what their subscriber's can and cannot do on the internet. Rogers and Bell do not believe in Net Neutrality. The Internet is a free and open source for everyone that knows no boundaries. |
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espaeth
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| said by GKC :Well, actually, the Internet has been in existence since 1969. The network infrastructure that became the Internet started back in the 1960's, yes. It wasn't until 1988 that you, as a non-government or non-educational entity, could get connected to the network though. So if you want make arguments about open and free, let's settle on a date when it was a network that you, as a private citizen, could actually connect up.
said by GKC :The Internet and WWW are concievably one-and-the-same, although they are two different identities. Those two things are as different as cars and roads. Clearly they are related, but not exclusively.
said by GKC :In essence, Rogers and Bell want to dominate and dictate what their subscriber's can and cannot do on the internet. Rogers and Bell do not believe in Net Neutrality. Outside of throttling P2P traffic, what else is affected by current Bell and Rogers network management? |
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GKC
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| You're looking for nothing more than a public argument. I'm not going to give it to you. Read up on Rogers and Sympatico Forum Boards to learn of the problem (s) that exist with both Rogers and Bell. All the best to you. End of discussion. |
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lawrence171
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Independent ISPs "rent" a DSL line from Bell. This line connects the customer to Bell's COs which, provides the customer with the DSL sync.
Customers, then, using PPPoE, connects to the ISP's network.
Bell is throttling all the connections connected to the CO. Before a data packet is sent or received, to and from the ISP, the packet is inspected and "managed". Bell is arguing that they're running out of bandwidth, but I do not see how their arguments are holding up.
Rogers currently throttles ALL encrypted traffic (even HTTPS).
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Warez_Zealot
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| said by lawrence171 :Independent ISPs "rent" a DSL line from Bell. This line connects the customer to Bell's COs which, provides the customer with the DSL sync. Customers, then, using PPPoE, connects to the ISP's network. Bell is throttling all the connections connected to the CO. Before a data packet is sent or received, to and from the ISP, the packet is inspected and "managed". Bell is arguing that they're running out of bandwidth, but I do not see how their arguments are holding up. Rogers currently throttles ALL encrypted traffic (even HTTPS). The problem is they REALLY want to put a value on data transfers like long distance calls. They would be really happy if they could charge XXX Amount for kB, MB, GB, etc... |
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April 25th, @12:59AM
| said by Warez_Zealot :said by lawrence171 :Independent ISPs "rent" a DSL line from Bell. This line connects the customer to Bell's COs which, provides the customer with the DSL sync. Customers, then, using PPPoE, connects to the ISP's network. Bell is throttling all the connections connected to the CO. Before a data packet is sent or received, to and from the ISP, the packet is inspected and "managed". Bell is arguing that they're running out of bandwidth, but I do not see how their arguments are holding up. Rogers currently throttles ALL encrypted traffic (even HTTPS). The problem is they REALLY want to put a value on data transfers like long distance calls. They would be really happy if they could charge XXX Amount for kB, MB, GB, etc... i will sue
there is about 5GB (permonth)worth of unsolicited traffic
on cable modems |
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Arbalister
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| reply to espaeth
said by GKC :The Internet and WWW are concievably one-and-the-same, although they are two different identities. Those two things are as different as cars and roads. Clearly they are related, but not exclusively. |
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goHabsgo
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"Outside of throttling P2P traffic, what else is affected by current Bell and Rogers network management?"
By implementing DPI which is currently enabling them identify and throttle P2P traffic they have opened the door to being able to identify the destination of HTTP traffic as well.
Plans were/are to streamline augment connectivity to Bell owned sites (movies, music etc..) and possibly degrade similar connectivity to other non-Bell owned sites. The other possible scenario is that they would continue to collect and charge for bandwidth going to the non-Bell sites and possibly identify and waive the bandwidth usage if the user destination was a Bell 'approved' site.
Whatever the net result is, the act of sniffing, identifying and imposing a 'call to action' based on an HTTP destination is seriously bad news and an massive invasion of privacy IMHO. |
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