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| [OT] All acquited
All 3 cops in the Sean Bell case have been acquited by the judge.
I wasn't there so I won't speculate on what happened. I'll leave that to Sharpton et al.
»www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/nyreg···.html?hp
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roc5955
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Welcome to the Police States of America, where cops can think that someone has a gun, and pump them full of lead, and get away with murder!
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| Both sides could be lying, and most likely are.
Personally, if I had three people pointing their guns at me after coming out of a nightclub that late at night, the last thing I would do is try to run them over.
That's that ride or die mentality. |
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RangerTX
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please stand by for riots. |
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said by roc5955  :Welcome to the Police States of America, where cops can think that someone has a gun, and pump them full of lead, and get away with murder! If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. |
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said by RangerTX :please stand by for riots. This isn't California. I doubt any riots. There may be some trouble but I doubt any riots. |
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said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO.
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| said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. An officer is trained, to shoot to kill. You shoot 3 bullets and reevaluate the situation. They got little trigger happy but it don't change the fact that they thought they seen a gun. |
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said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. "panicked unnecessarily" Is that criminal now?
said by Judge Cooperman's verdict :
The police response with respect to each defendant was not proved to be
criminal, i.e. beyond a reasonable doubt. Questions of carelessness and
incompetence must be left to other forums.
»graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/p···ICT3.pdf |
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| If it isn't illegal for a police officer to panic unnecessarily, than it should be grounds for said officer's dismissal.
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Pathfinder
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Mount Vernon, NY | That may well be but it doesn't warrant conviction on a criminal charge. We'll see what a civil jury decides.
I also believe the Federal govt is looking at civil rights violations. |
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Don't you just love the bullshit the cops can get away with in this country today? I consider myself a conservative, and I usually side with cops when these controversial subjects come up, but this was CLEARLY an attack against an unarmed man. I am behind Al Sharpton 100%, though he does derive some benefit from these controversial cases.
People need to STAND UP and fight this police state that is slowing eroding our rights everyday. Read the Constitution and carry a copy with you wherever you go.
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Dang. I am driving up to NYC tomorrow because my brother is being promoted from a lieutenant (sp) to a captain with the NYPD.
I hope nothing jumps off. I feel sorry for all involved and hope justice was properly served.
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| Ya know I am kind of upset that they got off, but then I read what the Judge said in the court room and heard what they were just saying on the news.
If the story changed 4 times which it looks like it did, no wonder the cops got off. What's so hard with sticking to the same story each and everytime you give it? |
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said by Pathfinder :said by RangerTX :please stand by for riots. This isn't California. I doubt any riots. There may be some trouble but I doubt any riots. Rioting seems to be most pronounced in Detroit, LA, and in any Canadian city after a NHL win. 
I'm not expecting any riots, but I am expecting some protesting.
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said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. I like your logic, but it's my understanding that police officers, etc. are not trained to shoot to wound. If the gun comes out, it's taught to be used effectively to kill. That's my understanding, but I could be wrong. Only one retired cop in the family, so no one I can ask. I think there is a police officer or two on this site, and may be some FBI agents that could logout and post as anon. 
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While I am no fan of "cops" and I think they take to many "liberties" both in and out of uniform, I think in this case the ruling may have been correct.
I have family and friends who are past/present LEOs, and I am constantly riding them about things, but I have to side with the cops.
You try to run over someone with a car who you see coming at you with a gun, then you run the risk of them shooting at you.
If I was a cop and someone tried to run me over, I damn well would be shooting at the car until it stopped.
Read the judge's ruling and see how the two guys who were in the car couldn't even tell the same story or get their facts straight from one day to the next.
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HardwareGeek
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You do know that video was posted in December right |
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said by roc5955 :clips magazines...They weren't using M1 Garands |
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