mnl1121
join:2008-01-03
Clifton, NJ
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Re: FIOS to all by 2014?!
no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). In 2014 technology is going to be way more advanced and fiber will be a hell of a lot cheaper and more affordable. I doubt that FiOS wouldn't reach every household by 2014 at all. I am not saying everyone will have it im just saying they could have access to it. |
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noping
a network cable is unplugged
Premium
join:2007-01-09
West Chester, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by mnl1121  :no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations? |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Netcong, NJ
| said by noping :said by mnl1121 :no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations? That is just what they did where I used to live - the town was very upscale for the most part (mostly $1M+ homes), yet the end of town that was "urban" was wired up and live first. Last time I drove through, they actually had quite a few takers too, judging by the number of drops going from pole to home. |
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somdguy
@myvzw.com
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How do you define " access " I mean I could order and OC3 or OC12 tomorrow for a hefty price....
So I guess you could say I have access.
Its not about the technology. We all the know the technology will get better but keep in mind it still cost money to run all this fiber. Your talking alot of man hours installing it. Thi is where the true cost is and always will be.
There are many, many rural areas that will never see fiber in the next 20 years. Those areas will be served by either WiMax, LTE or some other technolgy that is developed in the future. |
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mnl1121
join:2008-01-03
Clifton, NJ
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said by noping :said by mnl1121 :no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations? well thats the thing, fiber by 2014 is going to be so cheap for them to lay down that they have no reason not to invest their money in the poorer areas. If its affordable enough ppl are going to pay for the service and Verizon is going to make a profit. |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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April 30th, @11:58PM
| No fiber for NYC. Sorry.....
Verizon FIOS will never make it to my area, not even by 2014 in all likelyhood. I have honest doubts.
Verizon is just one company of many. Whatever the incumbent cableco Time Warner has will be far superior infrastructure for some time to come. In fact, Time Warner did node work to the node before the one where my node was split from just the other day. Im not sure what work was done and if my own node was affected since my service never went down during this time. Verizon has not even laid a single fiber optics line here as its all copper POTS infrastructure still.
I find the 2014 date overly optimistic and I don't hold up hopes for FIOS by this date. |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
| reply to noping
said by noping :You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations? Well, it does save them on long-term maintenance.
Of course, there's more than one way to get Fios to all Verizon customers. For example, they could just sell off the customers they don't want to hook up. Then they wouldn't be Verizon customers, and wouldn't count against the total. (I note for the record that they're actually doing this, too.)
So, in other words, it's no promise that any given (current) customer will ever get Fios, just a statement that it's Verizon's intent to move their landlines (the ones they keep) to Fios, only. I think this was already known, BTW.
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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May 2nd, @02:15PM
| Will homeless shelters in NYC get access to FIOS?
My friend worked in the financial sector and lost his job and became homeless so now hes looking for homeless shelters to live in.
Would be nice if Verizon would give out free FIOS to homeless shelters so that there could be computers inside to help the homeless get back on their feet. |
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PoloDude
Premium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY | Cant he go to the public library? |
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CurGeorge8
join:2005-05-02
Pittsburgh, PA
·Verizon FIOS
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said by sporkme :said by noping :said by mnl1121 :no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations? That is just what they did where I used to live - the town was very upscale for the most part (mostly $1M+ homes), yet the end of town that was "urban" was wired up and live first. Last time I drove through, they actually had quite a few takers too, judging by the number of drops going from pole to home. They did the exact same thing in the neighborhood I live in. The older parts of town were wired first, because their lines were on above ground poles. Even though the nicer parts have much bigger houses ($1M - $2M+), it's much cheaper to string up lines on poles that to go digging up everyone's front yards. |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25 | First the City has to get the franchise agreement in place and finish the existing areas. Then maybe they will get to the rest of it. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| reply to CurGeorge8
said by CurGeorge8 :They did the exact same thing in the neighborhood I live in. The older parts of town were wired first, because their lines were on above ground poles. Even though the nicer parts have much bigger houses ($1M - $2M+), it's much cheaper to string up lines on poles that to go digging up everyone's front yards. It has also been the case here, above ground will get worked on first, as it is fastest and easiest. In fact, someone I saw this morning said she noticed that the ground was being dug up in parts of Washington Twp, NJ, but part of that area already has service. My guess is, it was the above ground portions closest to the CO. |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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May 10th, @10:21AM
| FIOS is all a ploy by Verizon. Verizon has not laid one fiber optics line here for FIOS and its been years. They won't do so this year or next or the year after that. By 2014, Time Warner's system will be superfast.
Time Warner has loads more fiber in the system than Verizon. Verizon is saying they will wire by 2014 which is funny cause in that time frame, Time Warner can get to the same level that Verizon is on or better with lower capital overhead expenses.
I have seen the most upgrades from Time Warner cable than any other carrier in the marketplace especially in recent months. The system is likely going to be ready for large speed upgrades later this year.
I will have docsis 3.0 from Time Warner Cable way before I have FIOS and I will be able to get similar speeds as well as they ramp the service up. No need to wait for TV franchise cause I have CATV already. Its all here right now.
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| said by Gog123 :FIOS is all a ploy by Verizon. Verizon has not laid one fiber optics line here for FIOS and its been years. They won't do so this year or next or the year after that. By 2014, Time Warner's system will be superfast. Time Warner has loads more fiber in the system than Verizon. Verizon is saying they will wire by 2014 which is funny cause in that time frame, Time Warner can get to the same level that Verizon is on or better with lower capital overhead expenses. I have seen the most upgrades from Time Warner cable than any other carrier in the marketplace especially in recent months. The system is likely going to be ready for large speed upgrades later this year. I will have docsis 3.0 from Time Warner Cable way before I have FIOS and I will be able to get similar speeds as well as they ramp the service up. No need to wait for TV franchise cause I have CATV already. Its all here right now. Let's welcome the TW CEO here folks. Fios being a ploy is too ridiculous to respond to. TW having loads of fiber in the system is a cableco talking point. That's great, where does their fiber END?
As far as TW being able to do things faster? Unless there is a statewide franchise agreement, VZ has to negotiate agreements, TW does not have the same hassle. And TW has many, many years of a head start.
DOCSIS 3.0 will still leave cable behind the capabilities of GPON technology. What will TW's caps be? |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
| reply to Gog123
said by Gog123 :I will have docsis 3.0 from Time Warner Cable way before I have FIOS and I will be able to get similar speeds as well as they ramp the service up. And probably due somewhat to Verizon's "ploy". Competition is a wonderful thing  So is choice. If you're happy with TW why come in here and rain on Verizon...? Where's the skin off your nose? |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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May 10th, @12:54PM
| RCN is the bottom feeder in the marketplace. Time Warner Cable for cablemodem is the only way to go now. And with docsis 3.0 it will be FAST.
Verizon is all talk, they havent laid one fiber line here and they wont. Even by 2014 I dont expect FIOS to be here.
Run up to 2014:
I will have no FIOS but will have superfast wireless from Clearwire and Time Warner Cable available and will likely be able to get a combo deal for true convergence.
With Clearwire, I think Time Warner Cable is a better pipeline than FIOS.
I will have Time Warner Cablemodem running Docsis 3.0 OR BETTER, and a handheld and notebook running WiMax over Clearwire and can converge with it as well.
Verizon got screwed here cause they got the 700mhz spectrum. 2.5 Clearwire spectrum is far superior.
Clearwire/Time Warner Cable with single billing is for me.
FIOS aint even in the running for me anymore. Time Warner has secured me as a customer for life. Both the wired and wireless will scale up in speed over time.
FIOS has really nothing to offer now since new equipment will make Time Warner cable have the same speeds as Verizon's best GPON. The top Verizon speed offering can be met with Time Warner Cable over Docsis 3.0. Verizon doesn't have anything really superior right now.
Case in point:
Verizon FIOS is 10/2, 20/5, 20/20 and 50/20. From $48 to $95 for Internet alone.
Time Warner Cable speeds with Docsis 3.0 will hit the sweet spot, a better mix of pricing and convergence.
Docsis 3.0 can offer 100Mbps speeds.
Why would I want FIOS? I don't.
Docsis 3.0 is what I want with convergence on Clearwire. The Clearwire merger just proved to me how Im sticking to Time Warner Cable. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
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May 10th, @01:26PM
| said by Gog123 :RCN is the bottom feeder in the marketplace. Time Warner Cable for cablemodem is the only way to go now. And with docsis 3.0 it will be FAST. Verizon is all talk, they havent laid one fiber line here and they wont. Even by 2014 I dont expect FIOS to be here. Run up to 2014: I will have no FIOS but will have superfast wireless from Clearwire and Time Warner Cable available and will likely be able to get a combo deal for true convergence. With Clearwire, I think Time Warner Cable is a better pipeline than FIOS. I will have Time Warner Cablemodem running Docsis 3.0 OR BETTER, and a handheld and notebook running WiMax over Clearwire and can converge with it as well. Verizon got screwed here cause they got the 700mhz spectrum. 2.5 Clearwire spectrum is far superior. Clearwire/Time Warner Cable with single billing is for me. FIOS aint even in the running for me anymore. Time Warner has secured me as a customer for life. Both the wired and wireless will scale up in speed over time. FIOS has really nothing to offer now since new equipment will make Time Warner cable have the same speeds as Verizon's best GPON. The top Verizon speed offering can be met with Time Warner Cable over Docsis 3.0. Verizon doesn't have anything really superior right now. Case in point: Verizon FIOS is 10/2, 20/5, 20/20 and 50/20. From $48 to $95 for Internet alone. Time Warner Cable speeds with Docsis 3.0 will hit the sweet spot, a better mix of pricing and convergence. Docsis 3.0 can offer 100Mbps speeds. Why would I want FIOS? I don't. Docsis 3.0 is what I want with convergence on Clearwire. The Clearwire merger just proved to me how Im sticking to Time Warner Cable. Considering you once posted that NYC would never give approval for Fios, and that didn't turn out to be true, and considering you profess your love for TWC, then all you are doing here is trolling. Your rhetoric tells the tale. |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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May 10th, @02:14PM
| Actually I have wanted FIOS out for a long time and Verizon had every opportunity to do the right thing from a business perspective and get the right thing off the ground.
Instead I have seen Time Warner make a huge comeback and have seen great things since Jeff Bewkes took over the helm. Under Dick Parsons I admit I was not thrilled with Time Warner. I wanted FIOS badly back during this time period.
But now under Jeff Bewkes, I will be staying with Time Warner Cable and be adding service for the mobile component with Clearwire after the merger is completed for National WiMax coverage.
If FIOS came out today for me I would not be subscribing to the product.
This topic was to discuss Verizon for FIOS for 2014 and to that, I say that I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Verizon will have FIOS here by that time period. But even if it did I would still be on Time Warner. There is no reason to switch. A combination of inhome residential and wimax will make me 100% wired. I bet I will be using the wimax portion more than the wired portion to boot.
Docsis 3.0 and wimax will fill all my needs. The reason Docsis 3.0 is still good is that for the home you still want wired because it can hook you up to higher peformance computing since a desktop is more powerful and can get slightly faster speeds. However since your not using it as much, a fiber optic based home connection really doesn't make much sense over a decently fast hybrid fiber coaxial connection and docsis 3.0 turns the system to its finest hour. 100Mbps downstream is doable over Docsis 3.0. Even 1Gbps over Cisco with Docsis 3.0 has been trialed and proven to work. So all this huff and puff that FIOS is better than Time Warner Cable is all BS marketting drivel. Both systems for the most part can be scalable to similar speed sets. Time Warner has the convergence advantage and the time to market advantage making it for me a win win.
I actually use CATV from RCN cause of an inbuilding contract. However I dont know how long that relationship will last. So I can just switch the TV component over to Time Warner.
With FIOS you don't even have a franchise agreement in place for the TV side as well. So what does this mean? It means that those who subscribe right now to Time Warner in NYC get the whole package and just have to swap a modem out to Docsis 3.0 which is a simple procedure in the future. For those who subscribed to FIOS, they would not be able to get the TV side and would have to schedule another home install for the service and would have to subscribe to Time Warner Cable or a DISH provider if they wanted CATV to begin with.
Leaving Time Warner as best of breed with Docsis 3.0. When I swap out my Docsis modem and get my Modem shipped to me from Clearwire after the merger takes place I will be very happy indeed.
Time Warner is turning into a really great ship which will be turning great when Time Warner Cable is fully split off. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| said by Gog123 :Actually I have wanted FIOS out for a long time and Verizon had every opportunity to do the right thing from a business perspective and get the right thing off the ground. Instead I have seen Time Warner make a huge comeback and have seen great things since Jeff Bewkes took over the helm. Under Dick Parsons I admit I was not thrilled with Time Warner. I wanted FIOS badly back during this time period. But now under Jeff Bewkes, I will be staying with Time Warner Cable and be adding service for the mobile component with Clearwire after the merger is completed for National WiMax coverage. If FIOS came out today for me I would not be subscribing to the product. This topic was to discuss Verizon for FIOS for 2014 and to that, I say that I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Verizon will have FIOS here by that time period. But even if it did I would still be on Time Warner. There is no reason to switch. A combination of inhome residential and wimax will make me 100% wired. I bet I will be using the wimax portion more than the wired portion to boot. Docsis 3.0 and wimax will fill all my needs. The reason Docsis 3.0 is still good is that for the home you still want wired because it can hook you up to higher peformance computing since a desktop is more powerful and can get slightly faster speeds. However since your not using it as much, a fiber optic based home connection really doesn't make much sense over a decently fast hybrid fiber coaxial connection and docsis 3.0 turns the system to its finest hour. 100Mbps downstream is doable over Docsis 3.0. Even 1Gbps over Cisco with Docsis 3.0 has been trialed and proven to work. So all this huff and puff that FIOS is better than Time Warner Cable is all BS marketting drivel. Both systems for the most part can be scalable to similar speed sets. Time Warner has the convergence advantage and the time to market advantage making it for me a win win. I actually use CATV from RCN cause of an inbuilding contract. However I dont know how long that relationship will last. So I can just switch the TV component over to Time Warner. With FIOS you don't even have a franchise agreement in place for the TV side as well. So what does this mean? It means that those who subscribe right now to Time Warner in NYC get the whole package and just have to swap a modem out to Docsis 3.0 which is a simple procedure in the future. For those who subscribed to FIOS, they would not be able to get the TV side and would have to schedule another home install for the service and would have to subscribe to Time Warner Cable or a DISH provider if they wanted CATV to begin with. Leaving Time Warner as best of breed with Docsis 3.0. When I swap out my Docsis modem and get my Modem shipped to me from Clearwire after the merger takes place I will be very happy indeed. Time Warner is turning into a really great ship which will be turning great when Time Warner Cable is fully split off. That's great then, we won't need to see you trolling threads that don't apply to you in the future! 
It is nice to see you give TW credit for things they haven't done yet, while not giving the same leeway, but that's ok.
If you want to complain about delays, write to your state and ask for statewide franchise agreements, so companies like TW can't block competition.
BTW, DOCSIS 3.0 doesn't make them best in class, their infrastructure is not and will not be what fios is. It will be interesting to see if you are happy with TW's caps that they are fooling with, since caps are now gaining momentum. |
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Gog123
join:2008-03-25
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May 10th, @04:13PM
| "BTW, DOCSIS 3.0 doesn't make them best in class, their infrastructure is not and will not be what fios is."
This part is entirely false and is what Verizon marketting wants you to believe. FIOS right now top speed offering is 50/20Mbps. Guess what, the Docsis 3.0 provider is offering 100Mbps right now while FIOS is only selling 50Mbps. Starhub in Singapore using pre docsis 3.0 gear mind you is selling 100Mbps right now. Capability wise, Docsis 3.0 with channel bonding is on par with GPON all around. Cisco got 1Gbps over Docsis 3.0.
Repeating a lie and propagating it is exactly what Verizon wants others to do. As soon as docsis 3.0 comes out from providers officially the name of the game will change and the cable companies will start seeing some great reviews.
Just ask Cisco software architect Alon Bernstein who got 1Gbps over Docsis 3.0.
Docsis 3.0 vs GPON is essentially different delivery mechanisms and working standards. Verizon executives have spent tons of money on marketting the fact that GPON is better. But alas this is not the case. The incumbent cable companies have spent money collaborative on the Docsis 3.0 standard. Is one better than the other assuming same speed tiers offered? Not at all.
Think of Time Warner and Verizon as two seperate competitors whereas each infrastructure can be just as good as each other and in fact will be. One will choose based on price, and speed and convergence options.
Cisco software architect Alon Bernstein, in a presentation at the SCTE's Emerging Technologies conference showed a screen shot of a command-line interface for a cable modem delivering upstream throughput of 974,723,228 bits per second. Tell me with speeds reaching this over cable modem how the cable carriers like Time Warner are at a disadvantage?
That speed is way more powerful than Ill ever use even if somehow GPON exceeded it in speed. :P
Remember Cable networks are fiber optics and have their own video headend already there as well as existing billing and provisioning systems. So the buildout expense for the cable carriers to match Verizon neck and neck of anything they need to upgrade to comes to much less.
Theres no winner here. Competition is good for all of us and it means best of breed networks amongst 2 competing pipelines.
Time Warner as of today is an engineering driven company. With Verizon its still heavily marketting dependent even though FIOS seems to want to make it engineering based.
Choice: 100Mbps over Time Warner Cable or Verizon FIOS at 50Mbps. $100 for Time Warner Cable, $150 for FIOS.
FIOS slower and higher price premium. Would you get FIOS?
Even if it was 50Mbps vs 50Mbps.... there is no advantage to choosing one plant over the other............ |
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