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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 and IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
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bcastner
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No.
You do not have to remove any, in fact.
If when all is said and done, you see extranous elements, let me know.
If you intend to reinstall IE7, it would be to your disadvantage to uninstall the Hotfixes listed. Let XP and the Windows Installer service determine what is best to do.
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Pentangle
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Bill, there are a number of Security Updates and Hotfixes for IE7 in the Add/Remove program. Do they need to be removed one by one in reverse order of installation before removing IE7 itself? |
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C DM
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1 edit | reply to AtEase
Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
said by AtEase :
I don't know what all the fuss is about. There really isn't anything in SP3 that is a "must have". Just "Google" 'Microsoft XP SP3 problems', and you will see the hundreds of issues people are encountering with this so-called update.
I thought service packs were meant to be a step foreward.....in this case, we are most definately in reverse.
Install at your peril, and don't be taken in by anybody that tells you there are no problems, because they are being economical with the truth!!!
I'm not sure who's been saying there are no problems--there are definitely problems of all kinds for different people, as mentioned in many different posts here and other places. Nothing has really been hidden about any of this, so I don't think anyone is being "taken in" by anyone. However, the people with problems still represent a very (and I do mean VERY) small portion of the total users who have upgraded to SP3. This is aside from the fact that there are always people with problem when it comes to practically any update or anything new, no matter if it's from Microsoft or someone else, even outside the computer/technology field--there's really nothing new in that. So, people should definitely be somewhat careful, as they should always be when it comes to practically everything, but there's really no need to truly worry about it as much though--for the vast majority SP3 is working just fine. |
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said by bcastner  :HP's Print Director was broken by IE7. That issue has long been resolved by an upgrade from HP. You're right and it was fixed. I was just too lazy to search for the patch  . I was also afraid it would affect other programs. |
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Plus ~67MB MS U/date -> ~315MB D/L from MS-> 515MB CD they are sending out... seems like a lot MB for a small number of updates
~70MB is about right for what will be actually installed on your system. 314MB for the Redistributable EXE installer, is because it contains all things that could be installed, not all things that will be. ISO images are always large, most of that space empty so ISOs are usually ~500-600mb in size. It is an uncompressed format for data disks.
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. There really isn't anything in SP3 that is a "must have". Just "Google" 'Microsoft XP SP3 problems', and you will see the hundreds of issues people are encountering with this so-called update.
I thought service packs were meant to be a step foreward.....in this case, we are most definately in reverse.
Install at your peril, and don't be taken in by anybody that tells you there are no problems, because they are being economical with the truth!!! |
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kcazzie
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2 edits | reply to bcastner
Here's some more on, "Microsoft warns of IE7 lock-in with -> XP SP3."
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This is what MS said about IE7 and SP 3...(If you left IE7 and installed SP 3)
This behavior is by design and here is why. When we install IE7 on Windows XP SP2, we backup the existing IE6 files in an uninstall directory. Those IE6 files are the ones that shipped on XPSP2 plus all the security updates you’ve installed while using IE6. Windows XP SP3 contains a newer version of the Internet Explorer 6 files. If you have XPSP3 on your system and uninstall IE7, your system would revert to the backed up (older) version of the IE6 files rather than the newer XPSP3 version. You would end up in a mixed file state in Windows where most files would be the upgraded XPSP3, except for the IE6 files restored when uninstalling IE7. This state is not supported and is very bug prone. To ensure a reliable user experience, we prevent this broken state by disabling the ability to uninstall Internet Explorer 7
Edit; I know many ppl didn't have problems but then again if you did, I would be pissed if this is true ..." "Windows XP SP3 contains a small number of new updates and should not significantly change the Windows XP experience." Plus ~67MB MS U/date -> ~315MB D/L from MS-> 515MB CD they are sending out... seems like a lot MB for a small number of updates...!... Then again I'm not sure what they mean about, "not significantly change the Windows XP experience." |
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If you have IE7 installed, there will be nothing of significance modified by SP3 if you have been current at Windows Updates for security fixes.
HP's Print Director was broken by IE7. That issue has long been resolved by an upgrade from HP.
In summary, IE7 for someone up-to-date at Windows Update, is not modified by SP3, other than some internal versioning changes and the removal of the ability to uninstall it.
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Sounds like too much work. I'm running IE7 with SP2. Whenever the SP3 arrives via the critical updates I'll install it and not worry about not being able to unistall it.
Does anyone know what is the major issue people are experiencing? Does anyone know? I remember when I upgraded to IE7 a application dealing with HP printers wouldn't appear. I had to press ALT+Spacebar a couple times to get a maximize/minimize menu to appear that would allow me to utilize the program. |
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bcastner
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You would have to use a Slipstream disk of SP3 in any case for a repair install.
As for IE7, my own view is that you would be in trouble, but I have yet to get confirmation from Microsoft on this. If SP2 slipstreamed is an example, you would have to use either Add or Remove Programs and revert IE7 to IE6 prior to the repair reinstallation; or, use Recovery Console to BATCH the spuninst.txt file to uninstall IE7. Either one has to be done prior to the reinstallation.
My belief is that this is still true. That is why no matter if you never need IE6 again, you should still upgrade to XP SP3 with IE7 or IE8 uninstalled. You can reinstall when done. But I have not tried to replicate the case, and you cannot get anything from the IE or SP3 Team on the facts of this matter at the moment.
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pog
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Not sure if I understood everything...
Currently, suppose I have SP2 and IE7 with no desire to ever revert to IE6. I install SP3 and move on... this is supported.
If I then find myself in a position where I need to do a repair install, I will have to use a slipstreamed xpsp3 disk?
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said by Rammitt :
Why, Oh Why do we keep testing this third rate rubbish for Microcon! Beta Testers are a cheap alternative to reliable lab/condition testing. If a product is unstable, what is the point on spreading it around the world. We condemn virus writers for circulating maliscious code....but Microcon have been doing it for years.
Both the above products....SP3 and IE8 Beta are buggy and unstable beyond belief, and do not add anything of substance to your system, apart from bugs. I know, I know......you are all gonna get on your high horses....feel free, its a free country
Soap box away!!!
While there are some people who have ran into issues with SP3, as it is the case with almost any update or software (and certainly not just Microsoft ones) pretty much all the time, for the vast majority SP3 works just fine and provided a quick way to get all or most of the latest updates quickly at one time without really any other changes. |
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Why, Oh Why do we keep testing this third rate rubbish for Microcon! Beta Testers are a cheap alternative to reliable lab/condition testing. If a product is unstable, what is the point on spreading it around the world. We condemn virus writers for circulating maliscious code....but Microcon have been doing it for years.
Both the above products....SP3 and IE8 Beta are buggy and unstable beyond belief, and do not add anything of substance to your system, apart from bugs. I know, I know......you are all gonna get on your high horses....feel free, its a free country
Soap box away!!! |
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Duchess44
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said by bcastner :May I ask that you start a New Topic concerning this installation issue? Your request for help is unlikely to receive the attention it deserves in this thread. Sure. Sorry for posting in the wrong thread.  |
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bcastner
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May I ask that you start a New Topic concerning this installation issue?
Your request for help is unlikely to receive the attention it deserves in this thread. |
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Duchess44
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Just tried to install and when Windows restarted, it would only start in safe mode. Had to do a system restore. I don't know what the issue is. Can anyone help me with this?
Not sure what info you need, but I will post what I believe is needed. If you need other information, please just let me know and I will do my best to provide it.
HP Pavilion a1330n
Windows XP SP2
IE7
Thanks to anyone that can help with this. |
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natedj
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thanks for the info |
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antdude
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Re: XP SP3 & IE6.0 SP3?
said by jmorlan :Yes, you are fine. The problems only exist for those using IE7 or IE8b. As long as you stay with IE6, you should have no problems as discussed in this thread. My take is that this is a consequence of IE being so tightly integrated into the operating system. Thanks. I guess it is good to stay where I am. [grin]
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Yes, you are fine.
The problems only exist for those using IE7 or IE8b. As long as you stay with IE6, you should have no problems as discussed in this thread.
My take is that this is a consequence of IE being so tightly integrated into the operating system.
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