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ztmike
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reply to netwire

Re: Not bad at all...

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
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satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY

said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
I guess you've never heard of "Business Class Service". Or "SLA's". Or "Contracts". Or "Paying for What you Get".


ztmike
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said by satellite68:

said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
I guess you've never heard of "Business Class Service". Or "SLA's". Or "Contracts". Or "Paying for What you Get".
Business class service? lol i wouldnt call a home connection any of those things, but if their going to offer the speed and MORE speed why limit it? I see alot of customers leaving comcast, and thats why they never published a cap.
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Jeffrey
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reply to satellite68

said by satellite68:

said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
I guess you've never heard of "Business Class Service". Or "SLA's". Or "Contracts". Or "Paying for What you Get".
A residential user shouldn't need an SLA for home-broadband. You're talking about two different things.

If I had Comcast, and they go this route, I'd switch to a slower DSL service, if available.
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justdoinmath

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reply to ztmike

So, I have 5 machines and a couple of consoles.

I don't even get close to that.

If you get a fast server sending down data so that you're averaging a MB a second, that's about 2 1/4 - 2 1/2hours of constant flow every day!

I realize that you can get faster or multiple streams, but any single server is hard pressed to get that much up the pipe.

Windows Update, even on a service pack month, is going to run you no more than 1GB / machine, max.

Most normal people won't be close.


satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY

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reply to ztmike

My point exactly; if you want unlimited downloading, pay for it. Residential connections weren't meant for all the things you describe.



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said by satellite68:

My point exactly; if you want unlimited downloading, pay for it. Residential connections weren't meant for all the things you describe.
But they are slowly becoming that. The excuse of residential connection isnt really relevant anymore. With Docsis3, and FIOS, it going to bring alot of new stuff. If anything providers should be moving more towards content delivery. Build the network Comcast, or Fios will, or someone else will.
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reply to satellite68

said by satellite68:

said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
I guess you've never heard of "Business Class Service". Or "SLA's". Or "Contracts". Or "Paying for What you Get".
We don't get SLAs or Business Class Service on consumer accounts. You know, an average family of 4, all using the network for various purposes. And we do "pay for what we get" now. Also, the "Contracts" are one side in favor of the ISP, I mean "content" provider ( Comcast, et all)...

Spin, spin, spin...


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said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.
Having a networked home doesn't necessarily mean extreme usage though. My home network consists of:

- Home PC
- Personal laptop
- Work laptop
- Slingbox Solo
- Media PC (hooked up to projector by the treadmill)
- Firewall Linux box
- Xen development box (runs a backup server instance, mail server instance, home proxy server instance, a Nagios monitoring node instance, and test instances for my colo box hosting/mail OS images)
- PS3
- Ethernet connected Sat Receiver
- Linksys PAP2 VoIP gateway

For usage:
- I have a NetFlix subscription
- I download the occasional TV show .mkv when my normal DVR copy has issues (a couple local stations can't generate weather warning crawlers in HD, so they cut to the SD feed)
- I've downloaded YDL and Fedora for the PS3
- I update my linux boxen regularly.
- I backup to my home archival server, which rsync offsite every night
- I backup all my colo boxes to home every night
- I VPN in to work
- I use VoIP for all my home calls

I have 2 broadband connections, my Comcast usage stats are here:
           month        rx      |       tx      |    total
        ------------------------+---------------+---------------
          Jun '07    43,321 MB  |     2,749 MB  |    46,071 MB
          Jul '07    20,218 MB  |     2,148 MB  |    22,366 MB
          Aug '07    28,295 MB  |     2,311 MB  |    30,607 MB
          Sep '07    17,906 MB  |     1,692 MB  |    19,599 MB
          Oct '07    22,654 MB  |     2,236 MB  |    24,891 MB
          Nov '07    21,906 MB  |     2,021 MB  |    23,927 MB
          Dec '07    49,518 MB  |     2,559 MB  |    52,077 MB
          Jan '08    30,174 MB  |     2,854 MB  |    33,028 MB
          Feb '08    24,748 MB  |     2,042 MB  |    26,790 MB
          Mar '08    45,936 MB  |     3,215 MB  |    49,152 MB
          Apr '08    52,197 MB  |     4,028 MB  |    56,225 MB
          May '08     9,402 MB  |    394.74 MB  |     9,796 MB
        ------------------------+---------------+---------------
        estimated    52,202 MB  |     2,187 MB  |    54,389 MB
 

My DSL usage stats are here:
           month        rx      |       tx      |    total
        ------------------------+---------------+---------------
          Jun '07    48,534 MB  |    11,117 MB  |    59,652 MB
          Jul '07    12,445 MB  |    10,538 MB  |    22,984 MB
          Aug '07    10,946 MB  |     7,186 MB  |    18,133 MB
          Sep '07    17,956 MB  |    10,084 MB  |    28,040 MB
          Oct '07    17,049 MB  |    10,611 MB  |    27,660 MB
          Nov '07    14,198 MB  |     8,969 MB  |    23,168 MB
          Dec '07    22,351 MB  |    10,229 MB  |    32,581 MB
          Jan '08    15,383 MB  |    12,165 MB  |    27,549 MB
          Feb '08     3,835 MB  |     9,189 MB  |    13,024 MB
          Mar '08    10,581 MB  |    11,573 MB  |    22,154 MB
          Apr '08     6,044 MB  |    12,832 MB  |    18,877 MB
          May '08     1,130 MB  |    674.07 MB  |     1,804 MB
        ------------------------+---------------+---------------
        estimated     6,274 MB  |     3,742 MB  |    10,016 MB
 

I don't do anything to conserve my bandwidth usage, other than not running P2P and only downloading things I'll actually use.


88615298
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West Tenness
reply to PayforWhat Get

said by PayforWhat Get :

said by satellite68:

said by ztmike:

I guess you never heard of a "networked home" Or updates/downloads for games. Or system updates/Linux downloads.

If this does in fact take place, I will be switching.
I guess you've never heard of "Business Class Service". Or "SLA's". Or "Contracts". Or "Paying for What you Get".
We don't get SLAs or Business Class Service on consumer accounts. You know, an average family of 4, all using the network for various purposes. And we do "pay for what we get" now. Also, the "Contracts" are one side in favor of the ISP, I mean "content" provider ( Comcast, et all)...

Spin, spin, spin...
Hey Einstien it doesn't matter if you have 20 computers if you have say 16 Mbps service the MOST you can download at a time is 16 Mbps. It will just be split between all your computers. 16 Mbps doesn't mean each computer can get 16 mbps all at the same time. jeez.


Thatisnotwhat

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That is not what PayforWhat said. From what I can tell the poster was commenting on SLAs, contracts, etc... It looks like they're backing up ztmike...


patcat88

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Jamaica, NY
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reply to satellite68

So downloading a service pack and playing a game is suddenly business class activity? So what is residential? Telnet to a time sharing mainframe? Or "NetPong"?



funchords
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said by patcat88:

So downloading a service pack and playing a game is suddenly business class activity? So what is residential? Telnet to a time sharing mainframe? Or "NetPong"?
Yes, these you can do at "blazing" speeds!
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA
reply to patcat88

If it amounts to 1100Kbps, 24/7, I guess so.


satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
reply to DaveDude

said by DaveDude:

said by satellite68:

My point exactly; if you want unlimited downloading, pay for it. Residential connections weren't meant for all the things you describe.
But they are slowly becoming that. The excuse of residential connection isnt really relevant anymore. With Docsis3, and FIOS, it going to bring alot of new stuff. If anything providers should be moving more towards content delivery. Build the network Comcast, or Fios will, or someone else will.
So...if you bought a Geo Metro and tried to race the Indy 500, would you expect to win? No??

You are basically expecting your home connection (Geo Metro) to do exactly that - it's just not built for that, nor should it be. If you want Indy 500 performance, pay for it. They'll all have caps soon on home connections (per the American way, if we CAN charge for it, we WILL).

I'm not arguing that it's right; I'm saying that just like in dial up days, you couldn't expect that tiny little straw to handle the ocean, if you wanted a bigger funnel you paid for it.

satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
reply to patcat88

said by patcat88:

So downloading a service pack and playing a game is suddenly business class activity? So what is residential? Telnet to a time sharing mainframe? Or "NetPong"?
Again, residential just isn't built to handle 24/7 gaming and hosting servers and P2P. There should be another tier specifically for that.


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reply to satellite68

said by satellite68:

said by DaveDude:

said by satellite68:

My point exactly; if you want unlimited downloading, pay for it. Residential connections weren't meant for all the things you describe.
But they are slowly becoming that. The excuse of residential connection isnt really relevant anymore. With Docsis3, and FIOS, it going to bring alot of new stuff. If anything providers should be moving more towards content delivery. Build the network Comcast, or Fios will, or someone else will.
So...if you bought a Geo Metro and tried to race the Indy 500, would you expect to win? No??

You are basically expecting your home connection (Geo Metro) to do exactly that - it's just not built for that, nor should it be. If you want Indy 500 performance, pay for it. They'll all have caps soon on home connections (per the American way, if we CAN charge for it, we WILL).

I'm not arguing that it's right; I'm saying that just like in dial up days, you couldn't expect that tiny little straw to handle the ocean, if you wanted a bigger funnel you paid for it.
I can understand "Paying for it", but not making a service, which apparently a significant demographic wants, is more silly. If someone needs that much data transfer(which is alot) then create a tier. At the same time, comcasts lack of upstream is what i am willing to pay for, yet it never offered. Doesn't data transfer cost the same no matter what direction its going on a net. Either way Cable will get clobbered if it doesnt wise up to the fact, that there has to be tiers of service.
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