mystery194
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Re: [Info] XP SP3 cripples some PCs with endless reboots
Service Pack 3 can fail to appear as a WU when Automatic Updates are set to Notify. I notice this behavior on PCs that I had used dear departed AutoPatcher. This is not a bad thing. A service pack installed by Automatic Updates... hmmm, how diabolical. At best you aren't in safe mode so the installation just bounces off your security. At worst... (insert blue screen here).
I was wondering why I couldn't find KB936929 in the currently installed programs and updates. I see now the evidence of SP3 success is the long list of updates gets shortened to "Windows XP Service Pack 3."
Using the network installation .exe file to install SP3 in safe mode is the way to go. TeaTimer then becomes a moot point. The SP3 wizard extracts to a hash-named folder (i.e. aa17765d2e9ed49d934e9) containing a 398 MB i386 folder temporarily at the root of the drive you execute the install from (until the first reboot.) The wizard can complete in less than 15 minutes. It goes through the motions of creating a restore point but you won't get one if you disabled system restore. You will get $NtServicePackUninstall$ among other things.
After Service Pack 3 my C: drive content increased by 1.85 GB. It can't be emphasized enough that the install requires vast hard drive territory. |
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bcastner
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At the present time Service Pack 3 will only appear in Windows/Microsoft Update if you have Automatic Updates set to Notify -- but not install or download. |
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Vistaluvr2
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said by Mele20  :said by Doctor Olds :If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job. Oleg might be disabled. Are you really serious? |
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mystery194
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Recessions tend to tighten family bonds.
I am still undecided if I should recommend XPsp3 wholeheartedly. I risked two patched-up-to-date machines (I have backup images on hand) with the 66MB online update for sp3. Both were ASUS AMD with the dreaded TeaTimer enabled, and both had AV enabled (NOD32_3.0 & AVGfree). No safe mode. The newer ASUS had Comodo_3.0 firewall enabled, but in "install" mode. After the first reboot on this newer ASUS I saw the STOP error code of 0x0000007e, the tell tale mark of intelppm.sys referred to in KB888372. This was not an HP machine doing this, and subsequent reboots were without Blue Screen incident. Another machine (Intel P4) was not offered the sp3 update for reasons that are not clear. Why don't I see sp3 on the list of currently installed programs when I show updates? How does one tell if sp3 is present? |
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Cudni
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said by Mele20 : In Hawaii, it is common to find four generations under one roof and young adults live with their parents frequently because housing is so expensive. You will find similar in continental Europe, not much so in UK. I like it, brings and preserves sense of family 
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Mele20
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said by Doctor Olds : Oleg is a fully-abled youngster still living at home and unemployed by choice claiming his parents/family don't want him to work. He brags incessantly about stealing Commercial Software and how he can't afford anything over $30 I have not heard of Oleg before this thread.
To me, "disabled" means "unable to work due to a disability that will end in death" i.e. disabled under Social Security and receiving Social Security disability.
Thank you for those links. I wonder if the same qualifications for Lifeline apply here.
I wouldn't characterize someone who is 26 as being a "kid". Nor would I characterize them as such just because they still live with their parents. In Hawaii, it is common to find four generations under one roof and young adults live with their parents frequently because housing is so expensive.
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Grail Knight
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Oleg might be disabled.
Doubtful but it sure beats being banned or shunned forever.
Would you not agree? 
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Doctor Olds
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said by AB :said by Mele20 :said by Doctor Olds :If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job. Oleg might be disabled. Which would then make him unemployabe or give him carte blanche on thievery? I don't think so. Oleg is a fully-abled youngster still living at home and unemployed by choice claiming his parents/family don't want him to work. He brags incessantly about stealing Commercial Software and how he can't afford anything over $30
Read about it here:
»Re: Software SCAM - softwaretasking.com
said by Oleg :
I am downloading a lot of retail software and they are all clean.
said by Oleg :
Parents? I am 26.
said by Oleg :
Hell as strange as it sounds my family does not want me to work
So if you think it's wrong to steal software than it's OK to sell it
He's quite industrious too.
»[Services] Trying to save some money
»[Services] Save on your landline bill (low income families)
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AB
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said by Mele20 :said by Doctor Olds :If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job. Oleg might be disabled. Which would then make him unemployabe or give him carte blanche on thievery?
I don't think so. |
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Mele20
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said by Doctor Olds :If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job. Oleg might be disabled. |
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Doctor Olds
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said by Oleg :said by Doctor Olds :said by Oleg :Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro  Pot calling the Kettle black? » Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leakedsaid by Oleg :I can't afford paying for software over $30. True,because i can't afford a good PC. If you can't afford it, don't steal it, do without it or get a job.
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Oleg
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said by Doctor Olds :said by Oleg :Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro Pot calling the Kettle black? » Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leakedsaid by Oleg :I can't afford paying for software over $30. True,because i can't afford a good PC. |
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Doctor Olds
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said by Oleg :Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro Pot calling the Kettle black?
»Re: [XP Pro] Windows XP Professional with SP3 leaked
said by Oleg :I can't afford paying for software over $30.
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AB
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said by bcastner :Yes, the issue existed with Service Pack 2 installations, for the exact same reason. This KB article was written at the time of SP2, and revised last week: » support.microsoft.com/kb/888372Now by EULA and all things holy to the legal types, this is not an issue that is Microsoft's to fix. I agree it's not a Microsoft issue-- the problem seems to be from Hewlett-Packard Corp.
Thanks for the link and the info.
Seems like HP pretty much knew they should be installing a specific OS for AMD machines, yet didn't. |
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Asked by AB quote:
Did this 'sometimes' AMD/Intel issue exist on HP computers with post-manufacture SP2 installations?
I don't recall it, if so.
Yes, the issue existed with Service Pack 2 installations, for the exact same reason. This KB article was written at the time of SP2, and revised last week: »support.microsoft.com/kb/888372
Now by EULA and all things holy to the legal types, this is not an issue that is Microsoft's to fix. I do think, however, they should have included a patch for this in the installer. I also do not think it was a deliberate choice that they made as to whether to patch or not. The only bugged incident I can find in the private Beta newsgroups about the issue was a single report after RC1 was installed. I have no idea how many possible candidates are in the pool of potential installers of XP SP3, but it must be somewhere between 1-in-1 million to 1-in-100,000 machines in total. In other words, not a huge issue for the installed base.
None the less, I would not have a single thing to disagree with if someone felt that an in-line patch should have been included with SP3. That it was not, was not a sin of commmission, but more likely that the issue just did not appear bugged enough throughout the BETA period to catch the attention of the developers.
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Oleg
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Everyone buys high end computers,but can't afford good clean retail version of XP Pro |
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AB
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said by bcastner :"Gary" is mistaken. If he had no issues, it was because he did not have the underlying issues being discussed in the article to begin with, not because of the ISO. Not all AMD OEM images have the problem. You can read Jesper Johannson (also quoted with"Gary") in his blog about the ins and outs of AMD issues with SP3 here: » https:// msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx(Note in Jesper's blog who fixed Jesper's own computer, and identified the problem.) I'm going to guess "you". What do I win?
And btw, from Jesper's blog (bolding mine):
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Ordinarily, having intelppm.sys running on an AMD-based computer appears to cause no problems. However, on the first reboot after a service pack installation, it causes a big problem. The computer either fails to boot, as in my case, or crashes with a STOP error code of 0x0000007e.
Did this 'sometimes' AMD/Intel issue exist on HP computers with post-manufacture SP2 installations?
I don't recall it, if so.
So that tells me that someone (or some different person) in the HP decision making food-chain decided to do things differently between the time their computers were manufactured with SP1 pre-installed on them and the time they were manufactured with SP2 pre-installed on them.
This is to say-- it would seem as though HP should find and identify that someone and have that someone held accountable in some way.
Or would that be asking too much of corporate America in this day and age? |
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"Gary" is mistaken.
If he had no issues, it was because he did not have the underlying issues being discussed in the article to begin with, not because of the ISO. Not all AMD OEM images have the problem.
You can read Jesper Johannson (also quoted with"Gary") in his blog about the ins and outs of AMD issues with SP3 here: »https://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/···sp3.aspx
(Note in Jesper's blog who fixed Jesper's own computer, and identified the problem.)
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astirusty
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said by bcastner :That statement is absolutely untrue. There is no difference between the ISO image and the stand-alone redistributable, other than the format.
Any chance that "El Reg reader Gary" is right and this time MS left a few pieces out, thus there is a difference, when normally there is not a difference?
Regardless of whether there is or isn't any difference; it appears that, "Gary" who the article quotes, was successful using the 554MB .ISO. So maybe its worth a try for those who are still having problems upgrading to XP SP3.
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said by astirusty :I didn't see this possible workaround mentioned, so --- "I have found that the problem does NOT exist if one downloads the 554MB .ISO file and then burns the .ISO to a CD,” he said. “Following that, installation of Windows XP SP3 has no problems EVEN ON AMD PROCESSOR based machines. If one uses the online update to Windows XP SP3 or the 316MB installation file then problems will arise." Link to article with quote: » www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12···ots_amd/ That statement is absolutely untrue. There is no difference between the ISO image and the stand-alone redistributable, other than the format. You will never find a case in which a Service Pack is versioned differently between media formats offered. To start playing that game with Service Packs would create a support nightmare. For better or worse, all the ways in which a Service Pack are offered have to, and do, proffer identical bits. |
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