TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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Re: go for it
said by EPS  :If it's optional ... Because upon newfound money, optional morphs into opt-out, then it becomes a permanent fixture. The frog always gets boiled slowly.
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EPS
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Hingham, MA | Well I'd have a bit more faith in Mozilla since it's not a publicly traded company, and the over-arching holding entity is a non-profit... though I suppose that could easily change very quickly. |
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tempnexus
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said by TamaraB :said by EPS :If it's optional ... Because upon newfound money, optional morphs into opt-out, then it becomes a permanent fixture. The frog always gets boiled slowly. Bob Exactly!
Now that they gained a few percent user base they are turning into MS. Goes to show that no matter what, any company will turn into MS GIANT LIKE when given enough support.
And no, EPS have no faith in companies when money is in the picture.
Rule #1) When money is involved who cares about the consumer.
Now if their support user base dramatically drops after they implement it then they can easily copout by saying: "Oh it was on trial basis only" wait a few years and try again.
If the user base doesn't drop then HELLO perma Opt-In. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | reply to TamaraB
Not that what you're suggesting is likely to happen, but if it did, you would see the source code fork and new projects pop up without the "option". |
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lvlorpheus
join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR | reply to tempnexus
Ahhh, come on this is Firefox, someone will write the most popular add-on ever. Perma Opt-Out for Firefox. |
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TamaraB
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said by openbox9 :Not that what you're suggesting is likely to happen... It ALL depends on how much money was involved. If the Firefox "model" of tracking becomes a financial success for marketers, then ANYTHING is possible. According to the Original Article: ... but it would make Mozilla more money, and isn't that why we're all on this planet? Windowz took this frog-boiling approach. When I used DOS, this was never an issue, nor was it in Windows 3.1. The entire frog-boil industry of spying and tracking was begun slowly, and it grew to the point where none interested in privacy, could ever use M$ products again.
Everything which turns a "profit" eventually turns corrupt! The term "Non-Profit" is really a misnomer. It refers to where the profits go, not to the actual making of profit itself. One of the richest, biggest, and most powerful "non-profit" on the planet is the Catholic Church.
IMHO, this would be Firefox's first step towards corruption, and ruin. Use your Calculus training, and stretch the limits of Firefox's "Money-function" to the limits, and see where it can lead.
Bob
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openbox9
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| said by TamaraB :According to the Original Article: ... but it would make Mozilla more money, and isn't that why we're all on this planet? That's Karl's commentary.said by TamaraB :IMHO, this would be Firefox's first step towards corruption, and ruin. As I've mentioned, the code will fork well before this unlikely outcome. Gotta love freely available source code  |
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B
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said by TamaraB :IMHO, this would be Firefox's first step towards corruption, and ruin. Use your Calculus training, and stretch the limits of Firefox's "Money-function" to the limits, and see where it can lead. Agreed with everything you said EXCEPT that it should read "Firefox's latest step towards corruption".
People have been living with Firefox's silent embedded and money-generating Google tracking and its limiting EULA for years already. It's a big reason I use Seamonkey instead. See also their dismissive behavior toward the Mozilla suite, toward Thunderbird, and toward forks and distribution projects.
MoFoCo is not your friend. They like your money.
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TamaraB
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said by openbox9 : ... Gotta love freely available source code I do! And for literally decades I have been using such for all my computer needs. I currently run Net/FreeBSD on all my computers, from my laptop, to my servers. And, yes 'it's been "free", just like ALL "information" needs to be in a "free" society. But what does "free" mean? Does it ONLY refer to free in a monetary sense? Could not other "costs" make it not free? Costs associated with SPAM, voracious advertising, phishes, hacks.... are all real "costs". Costs associated with the non-free community exclusively! I don't want to see this type of cost, appended to "open source".
It appears to me, that this Firefox "experiment" is a probe into that possibility. Exclusively define "free" (in an open-source sense) as exclusively "monetarily free", and let the market (us) pay in another way. Freedom is then essentially lost.
Bob
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| "Free" software is about freedom, not money, hence the open availability of source code and licenses minimal restrictions regarding what you're allowed to do with the code and/or executables. Once again, if some open source projects choose to take the projects in a direction that you don't like, you have the freedom to take the code and do what you want....at least in accordance with the applicable licenses. |
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sivran
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I confess. I've been using Opera lately. |
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B
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You're kidding. Hang your scaly head in shame. 
I think I'd use the Fireweasel before Opera, based only on its reputation for incompatibility (never mind the closed source part).
Is it because Opera's lighter and faster than the Monkey, or because of a general distaste for the MoFoCoDojo?
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cork1958
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said by tempnexus :said by TamaraB :said by EPS :If it's optional ... Because upon newfound money, optional morphs into opt-out, then it becomes a permanent fixture. The frog always gets boiled slowly. Bob Exactly! Now that they gained a few percent user base they are turning into MS. Goes to show that no matter what, any company will turn into MS GIANT LIKE when given enough support. And no, EPS have no faith in companies when money is in the picture. Rule #1) When money is involved who cares about the consumer. Now if their support user base dramatically drops after they implement it then they can easily copout by saying: "Oh it was on trial basis only" wait a few years and try again. If the user base doesn't drop then HELLO perma Opt-In. Nice to see all you fan boys FINALLY seeing the light. Never have liked Firefox and don't particularly care for Google either. Neither of them have ever been or ever will be the "cats a**!"
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