Mr Matt
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May 14th, @10:54AM
| You do not have to be a Rocket Scientist to figure it out
 If ISP's cannot block P to P traffic they need find another way to reduce network traffic to avoid having to spend money to upgrade their networks. Since much P to P traffic is copyrighted music, preventing piracy is a good excuse to snoop on their customers usage of their broadband connection. A great way to deter P to P traffic. That way the ISP's can avoid having to upgrade their networks. Now how will the ISP's stop TV over IP. |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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| said by Mr Matt  : ... Since much P to P traffic is copyrighted music ... Can you back this statement up with some evidence?
Bob
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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said by Mr Matt :Now how will the ISP's stop TV over IP. Caps.
In case reading 10-Ks isn't your idea of fun, ISPs are spending billions to upgrade their networks. Anyway, this discussion isn't really about ISPs not upgrading their networks, it's about the **AAs' questionable info gathering techniques. |
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jap
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said by TamaraB :said by Mr Matt : ... Since much P to P traffic is copyrighted music ... Can you back this statement up with some evidence? Measured in data volume it's way more video than tunage. But don't play dumb, Bob. It's a given that most volume - not merely 'much' - is infringing material. I'll hazard 80% +/- 5%. Asking for "evidence" is a fool's game and beside the point.
Captivating is the tangled problem of relative harm, relative ethics, and schisms between creator(s) and copyright owner(s) ... which in an ideal world would be the same entity. Every infringement is differently speculative in it's actual social impact. Positive & negative. The comedy is watching our bizzistlators attempt to frame things as a flat-world dichotomy; infringers versus 'the rest of us'. |
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TamaraB
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| said by jap : ... Measured in data volume it's way more video than tunage. You mean P2P is. How much of it is copyrighted material being illegally transferred?
said by jap : Asking for "evidence" is a fool's game and beside the point. We've entered a brave new world in our legal system when "evidence" is "beside the point", and a "fool's game". Let's see how that plays out in other parts of society. Eighty percent of Americans smoke pot; therefor you can be arrested for being an American. How does that fit? Take your logic out of the realm of P2P, and it becomes utter nonsense.
I would honestly like to know where you get these figures "80% +/- 5%" from? Does this represent your usage of P2P? A "SWAG"? Or is it merely MPAA/RIAA/ISP propaganda?
Bob
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jap
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May 15th, @07:32PM
| OK, I made you defensive. Sorry.
The realm is P2P, it's not very measurable, my percentage statement is clearly labeled as a guess. If you p2p even a little you'll know the overwhelming volume is infringed material. Arguing anything else looks rediculous. Often one must go with the experiential obvious and not play the "hard facts" game. Your insistence on the topic looks silly.
My stating these observations has no bearing on my opinions on the state of IP law or the ethics of infringement. You & I may not be far apart on those. IMO, your commonly observed ideology clouds reality and the "evidence" demands are simply a way to argue to an end you prefer. Me thinks it works against your probable goal.
Sincere, and I mean that, apologies for speaking bluntly in a public thread. I more-or-less like your politics and feel your constant railing against The Man is a burden to the collective voice of progressives same as radicals on the bizzomatic political machine side frustrate their more moderate peers.
Still want to smoke a cigar on the TamaraB with you.  Peace out. |
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TamaraB
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| said by jap :OK, I made you defensive. Sorry. Not so much defensive. The very concept of having to pay tribute, or to incur legal expenses, based on no evidence rattles my cage. Now, I hardly ever use P2P, I have no real use for it except getting a linux distro now and then. It is a valid Internet protocol.
I have absolutely no qualms about RIAA/MPAA punishing the guilty. However, to do so, they, like all other enforcement agencies, need to punish the provably guilty. It is apparently easy to see who is downloading what MAY be copyright material. A simple subpoena will reveal the address of the alleged infringer, and another subpoena will allow the search of the hard drive. This is due process.
Threatening/demanding tribute money, without due process, is nothing short of extortion by abuse of process.
said by jap :Still want to smoke a cigar on the TamaraB with you. Peace out. Got some goodies, and recently got gifted a bottle of Havana Club; that most likely won't last too long! You are welcome anytime you are in the area.
Bob
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