Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to bjbrock
Re: Year 2008 and I can only get 1.5/256 from DSL...
said by bjbrock  :8/768 IF it is a protocol they approve of. Which is pretty much every protocol except "one". Still 100x better than AT&T. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| I can get ADSL from AT&T at 1500/384kbps
ADSL from DSL-Extreme at 3008/512kbps (AT&T claims that I've moved 2000' from their CO  )
I can get Uverse from 1.5/1Mbps to 10Mbps/1.5Mbps... as long as I either order TV or purchase business.
I can get TWC HSI (TWC is supposedly redoing their fiber in my area) - good for 10Mbps/1Mbps.
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | Highly doubtful that you would be able to get DSL Extreme at those speed if AT&T can't provide it. Any CLEC that DSL Extreme uses will have to go thru the same CO as AT&T. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Rob
said by Rob :Still 100x better than AT&T. I just love hyperbole...
(8/1.5=5.33333333)
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| said by NormanS :said by Rob :Still 100x better than AT&T. I just love hyperbole... (8/1.5=5.33333333) Didn't say faster, I said better. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to CylonRed
Here's the proof
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Canada = Hollywood North |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Rob
said by Rob :Didn't say faster, I said better. It is still hyperbole. Comcast interferes with BitTorrent, cuts off user access to their mail servers for modest volumes of outbound SMTP traffic, and a raft of other restrictive TOS issues. Their support is no better, and their price is exorbitant. And you still think that they are better? I think not.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| said by NormanS :said by Rob :Didn't say faster, I said better. It is still hyperbole. Comcast interferes with BitTorrent, cuts off user access to their mail servers for modest volumes of outbound SMTP traffic, and a raft of other restrictive TOS issues. Their support is no better, and their price is exorbitant. And you still think that they are better? I think not. I haven't had any problems with outbound SMTP traffic and haven't had any problems with their restrictive TOS either. My bittorrent problems are not even that much of a problem since I don't even use bittorrent.
But you can keep being a telco apologist. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to CylonRed
But AT&T doesn't provision the CLEC cards in the DSLAM. AT&T has very conservative distance restrictions; partly to offset the lower prices they were charging. Fewer service calls on the lines, less money expended in support costs.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Rob
said by Rob :But you can keep being a telco apologist. And you a cableco apologist. Same difference.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Rob
In Deo speramus
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| said by NormanS :said by Rob :But you can keep being a telco apologist. And you a cableco apologist. Same difference. Big difference. I actually have used AT&T (formerly BellSouth) and currently use Comcast. I have yet to see you even use Comcast. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Rob :Big difference. I actually have used AT&T (formerly BellSouth) and currently use Comcast. I have yet to see you even use Comcast. I have downloaded fansubbed anime on my sister's Comcast connection, and done some other work. 6M doesn't seem all that great. You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL.
And I not about to spend twice as much for cable as DSL costs just to get a little extra speed that I won't be using; or to have the cable fanbois telling me I am wrong to run a server.
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Norman
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Crookshanks
join:2008-02-04
Endicott, NY
| said by NormanS :You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL. Then that's a problem with Comcast because I had no problem pegging my Roadrunner Turbo connection (8MBits) when I had it. A few sites couldn't manage to max it out but the overwhelming majority of large downloads could. Well seeded bittorrents could. A handful of times I saw what appeared to be throttling and/or capacity issues but the bulk of the time I had no problems achieving full speed.
Don't get me wrong -- I'll take my 3.0/768 DSL over 8.0/512 cable -- DSL (for me, YMMV) seems more stable and I'd rather have the upload bandwidth -- but I don't see how you can dismiss that download bandwidth either. It came in handy. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
edit:
May 15th, @11:02AM
| reply to CylonRed
said by CylonRed :Highly doubtful that you would be able to get DSL Extreme at those speed if AT&T can't provide it. Any CLEC that DSL Extreme uses will have to go thru the same CO as AT&T. Sort of ... what you're missing is that he qualified for 3m service while on DSLExtreme via AT&T. He then had a number of service calls due to poor quality lines (sprinkler systems turn on, sync goes out). He ended up having to deal with lower sync rates to keep stable service. Someone probably "adjusted" the distances in the databases to prevent other new customers in his area from having intermittent service (read: they dont want those expensive support truck rolls).
Then AT&T came in and reconditioned the lines for U-Verse. Now he finally has a good quality line that's stable at 3m, but AT&T still has him tagged as not qualifying for 3m service. So if he were to cancel his DSLX line he probably cannot re-order 3m without escalating the issue. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
edit:
May 15th, @11:57AM
| reply to Crookshanks
said by Crookshanks :said by NormanS :You can't download any faster than the other end can upload; most of my downloads moved about as fast on cable as on 3Mb DSL. Then that's a problem with Comcast because I had no problem pegging my Roadrunner Turbo connection (8MBits) when I had it. No. It was a problem with the torrents. Some of the anime shows I grab are not highly popular, and don't have well-seeded trackers. You can't pull more data than the other end will push. Period. I don't see paying for download speed I won't be able to use because the sources can't fill the pipe.
BTW, just to be sure it was the trackers, and not the ISP, I downloaded a Knoppix ISO image while there. That pegged my sister's download capacity. But how often does one need to download an OS ISO image? Slower is cheaper; and, for my budget, and needs, good enough.
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Norman
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~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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