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Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. The restraining cable is less than 6' long (much longer than that and the abrupt deceleration will physically harm you, but having known people who have dropped while wearing the safety cables even a 6' drop can mess your back up really bad) so if you are moving around the structure a lot you are constantly having to move the restraint cable and for a task where you are moving constantly and making minor adjustments most workers simply drop the safety cable.
It's a real hassle to get workers to use the safety gear they are provided, in most cases you have to threaten to terminate them as most think they are invincible. The deaths in the industry are likely for the same reasons. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? This has really nothing to do with any company in particular, it's endemic in the entire work area regardless of the high work being performed, whether it's tieing steel, welding, forming, concrete pouring, communication work or any other type of construction work. OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. | |   David No,there is another. Premium,VIP join:2002-05-30 Granite City, IL clubs:
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| said by rahvin112 :Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. The restraining cable is less than 6' long (much longer than that and the abrupt deceleration will physically harm you, but having known people who have dropped while wearing the safety cables even a 6' drop can mess your back up really bad) so if you are moving around the structure a lot you are constantly having to move the restraint cable and for a task where you are moving constantly and making minor adjustments most workers simply drop the safety cable. It's a real hassle to get workers to use the safety gear they are provided, in most cases you have to threaten to terminate them as most think they are invincible. The deaths in the industry are likely for the same reasons. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? This has really nothing to do with any company in particular, it's endemic in the entire work area regardless of the high work being performed, whether it's tieing steel, welding, forming, concrete pouring, communication work or any other type of construction work. OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade.
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| said by David :said by rahvin112 :OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade. Second time, you were talking to the Dean of Employers (I think that's what they called him). OSHA has been systematically NEUTERED for OVER 30 years due to employer pressures, and complaints to federal, state and local governments...
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| reply to rahvin112 said by rahvin112 :Most workers will tell you the safety lashings are a pain in the ass. It's not that the workers aren't being provided the safety gear, instructed to use it and taught the consequences of not using it, it's that they simply don't like the inconvenience and don't think they will fall. How do you change human nature? I think you hit on the major problem. And no amount of further regulation is going to change this problem 1 little bit. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |  cmaenginsb Premium,MVM join:2001-03-19 Palmdale, CA
| reply to jwersan said by MySay :I constructed, painted, and replaced bulbs on towers for 8 years. It's not that bad... as many people think, always telling me how crazy I was for doing it! As long as you're moving, you have the harness and security clips on you... but they're not connected (of course, since you're on the move). You can only latch while at a stand-still. Also, you never want to forget your gloves... as you won't make it far. Even with gloves on, the blisters are hell (especially on 1+Kers). Looking down is also alright... (if you got the nerves to do the climbing, the heights isn't a big deal). Look UP... that's the problem. With clouds rolling by, it gives the illusion the tower is falling sideways... a feeling that is still bothersome, after many years of climbing! Then, you have to worry about obsticles attached to the tower... some which will literally blow a body part off, if it moved infront of (microwave). Some towers, you had to make a running jump onto... as if you were touching the ground while the tower at the same time, it would kill you. Not a profession for the faint of heart... but, you can't beat the pay! $500+ for an hour or two of work. NOTE: Referring to a post earlier in the thread... you DO NOT climb in adverse weather. That's just common sense! BTW, replaced a bulb at 1.2K ft... and tossed it. The bulb bounced on the ground below 3 times, and NEVER busted! I have it in my room, signed and dated w/ the location on it! Umm, current requirements is 100% connection and with modern Y fall arrest gear it is entirely possible even when on the move. Although a major PITA when climbing a ladder unless you have a cable arrest system because every rung you have to clip and unclip | |  cmaenginsb Premium,MVM join:2001-03-19 Palmdale, CA
| reply to jwersan said by jwersan :said by David :said by rahvin112 :OSHA has worked for 30 years to educate people and enforce rules that make the companies provide the safety gear, but they can't force workers to use it when they aren't being directly supervised. I have a feeling you are spot on, and it's just plain taking a chance. To highlight your point exactly, just because OSHA enforces it doesn't mean they can force the workers to use it when they are not being watched, or too far out of harm's way. Ironically, back in the days of Ranken Tech when you dropped a conduit bender off the 2nd floor and if it hit the ground that's fine, but that still didn't get the student suspended from lab class for a day, and an F for that day's work ethic grade. Second time, you were talking to the Dean of Employers (I think that's what they called him). OSHA has been systematically NEUTERED for OVER 30 years due to employer pressures, and complaints to federal, state and local governments... Most workers are "instructed" in proper safety and then pressured to forgo safety to speed up "the job", those who refuse to abide by company wishes, usually find themselves without work... Funny after doing a lot of major jobs in the communications and electrical industries I don't find that to be true. I do find a lot of workers blaming the companies for "pressuring" them when in reality they made a bad call that got someone injured.
In death #7 the person died while supposedly rappelling down the load line which is a huge no no. Also from reading the description the block assembly was not secured with a self-locking carabiner another no no for this industry when using a line for life safety.
I see a lot of guys who like to do this because it's cool, not for any real speed reason. | |
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