Iceberg32
join:2008-05-17
Hobart, IN
|  News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!!
This was posted yesterday/thursday in 0.verizon.announce
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IMPORTANT: CHANGE IN VERIZON NEWSGROUP SERVICE
On 06/24/2008, Verizon will be modifying its Newsgroup offerings to only offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups.
comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*
More information on the Big 8 hierarchies is available at
www.big-8.org.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
In preparation for this change, you will need to modify your news client(s) and unsubscribe from all newsgroups other than the newsgroups listed above. Failure to do so may interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users which is a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.
INFORMATION ABOUT CHANGES TO YOUR NEWSGROUP SERVICE
When will Verizon change its News service to carry only the Big 8?
The change will be effective on June 24, 2008. After June 24th,Verizon's Newsgroup service will carry only the Big 8 news hierarchies and the 0.verizon.* hierarchy.
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So there you have it, folks! Because of a few pathetic child porn newsgroups, verizon is effectively going to kill off their good news server very, very soon! Why? Because the company is just that pathetic.
After all the days on hold talking to verizon tech support through the years...all the times I've wasted my life...all the slow, dial-up like speeds w/ my DSL, the only redeeming quality was the news server. Now that that is gone, there is absolutely no reason to stay with this horrible, awful, pathetic company - at least, for me personally.
I would complain, but I'm not sure who to complain too...*sigh* | |
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join:2008-05-17
Hobart, IN
1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Sorry about that. 
I saw that the news about it had been posted, but had not seen anywhere in writing exactly what *specifically* was being removed and what was remaining. | |
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storm64007
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Freeport, NY | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! It sucks. They removed every alt.binaries. | |
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join:2004-02-12
Ohio | Well, it was nice while it lasted.
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starrin
join:2005-05-29
Virginia Beach, VA
| Well, if you want to , you can post here - but as of right now they are not posting comments that I know have been made:
»policyblog.verizon.com
But, since this is a c0ontracted service, are we going to see a rebate each month. Why not? My guess is they will simply change their TOS agreement to match their actions and go happily on their way.
Me too, I already have COX in the house. They can have it all | |
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Grrrrr
@verizon.net
| Some problems with the newsgroups (in OE) is that it divulges your e-mail address - the login name for that account by default. If you use your main account then you rat yourself and get mined by the Veagra spammers and get bombed. With Verizon, you can't change your main acct without cancelling your service.
Limiting newsgroup service wont fix that though, because ALL the newsgroups are easy to mine for e-mail addresses. | |
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@verizon.net
| Creeping fascism. Recent court cases find that there is no expectation of privacy on the Internet. I don't know what that means yet. I know it means that what you say in a public forum is indeed public, but I hope people aren't reading that to mean that no wire communications or the equipment connected to it are to be considered private. Phone? E-mail? Transactions? What we need is new standards in encription for web traffic and DNS since communications CAN be monitored without court order. | |
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just lou
join:2008-05-16
Staten Island, NY
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1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! I posted this over in the FiOS forums, so maybe it will help some of you:
If you don't download more than 50MB per day, Teranews gives you free access to their premium usenet service. Their servers are excellent, even the free one. You only have to pay a one time activation fee of $3.95.
»www.teranews.com | |
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join:2007-06-16
Apple Valley, CA
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Whew! Glad broadbandreports.com sent me an email saying I had not visited in awhile. That made me log on. And since I use Verizon glad I checked the Verizon messages.
Seems I won't be able to get to alt.dbs.echostar to get the dish on DISH.
Off to another news server! | |
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join:2005-05-29
Virginia Beach, VA
| line running up the screen said by just lou  :I posted this over in the FiOS forums, so maybe it will help some of you: If you don't download more than 50MB per day, Teranews gives you free access to their premium usenet service. Their servers are excellent, even the free one. You only have to pay a one time activation fee of $3.95. » www.teranews.com How is their message retention on the servers? | |
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join:2008-05-16
Staten Island, NY
·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | Re: line running up the screen said by starrin :How is their message retention on the servers? On the pay servers it's 90+ days. I've noticed over 30 days on the free server. They also won't disconnect you if you're in the middle of downloading something over 50MB. Let's say you're downloading a 200MB file, they will deduct the credit from your free account, and you just won't be able to download anything for the next 3 days. | |
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pende_tim
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Looking for up to 10- 20 GB month. | |
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Andover, NJ | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Thanks. Does the 90GB/$25 have any expiration time or does it last forever if not drawn down?
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Bedminster, NJ
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1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by pende_tim :Thanks. Does the 90GB/$25 have any expiration time or does it last forever if not drawn down? The "Pay-by-Download" plan lasts forever. See »www.news.astraweb.com/downloadplans.html
With the current pricing, the "Pay-by-Download" plan is best if you download less than 46.8 GB per month. If you download more than that, the "Unlimited" plan is better.
P.S. I had noticed 2 months ago that my speed to outside newsservers via port 119 was being limited, so I switched to one of the alternate ports that are available. | |
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Bobcat
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1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by Bobcat :said by pende_tim :Thanks. Does the 90GB/$25 have any expiration time or does it last forever if not drawn down? The "Pay-by-Download" plan lasts forever. See » www.news.astraweb.com/downloadplans.htmlWith the current pricing, the "Pay-by-Download" plan is best if you download less than 46.8 GB per month. If you download more than that, the "Unlimited" plan is better. P.S. I had noticed 2 months ago that my speed to outside newsservers via port 119 was being limited, so I switched to one of the alternate ports that are available. Astraweb changed their pricing today. $25 gets you 110 GB now! That means it's a good choice if you download less than 57.2 GB per month. More than that, go with the unlimited plan.
And you can use SSL, too. | |
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Andover, NJ | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Thanks! That is a good deal. | |
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Lord_Black
join:2006-07-08
Walnut, CA
| Not good. Do not want. I accept it was only a matter of time. Oh well, looks like I'm going to have to spring for a premium account. Sucks, I moved from Charter to Verizon due to them not limiting USENET access as much as Charter. Of course the short retention and the fact that some popular groups that were not accessible was a pain and I guess the writing was on the wall then, but it was still better to have the faster download speed from Verizon then being capped with Charter.
I guess the search is on for a premium account. | |
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join:2006-07-08
Walnut, CA
2 edits | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Supposedly Andrew Cuomo, New York's Attorney General, has these big ISPs shaking in their boots. IMO, Verizon and the other ISPs have been looking for any reason to dump alt.binaries for some time now and this gives those that haven't done it yet a safe and "feel good" reason to go ahead and remove them. This whole removal of alt.* is of course an overreaction as there are probably only a few newsgroups dedicated to child porn out of the hundreds of thousands of newsgroups that exist. | |
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| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Verizon's new system covers model airplanes but try to find a photo of one. It covers music but where are the MP-3's? Not a video on the system I could find. Their removal of UseNet had nothing to do with pornography. It was an excuse to save the money they would have to spend to keep up with the increasing traffic binaries required.
When you can charge the same thing and deliver half the service that's about the same as doubling the price.
Follow the money. | |
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| starrin
join:2005-05-29
Virginia Beach, VA
| line running up the screen IMHO Verizon is just looking for a way to dump usenet entirely as COMCAST is doing in response to the same NY action. Usenet customers have always been 2nd class citizens receiving 2nd class service. Their proprietary groups (0.verizon.xxx) are usually full of complaints as to the service. VZ seized upon a moral issue to make a financial decision. As soon as enough folks leave and/or they figure out a way to rewrite their TOS agreement, I expect they will dump it all.
OTOH, I understand that Verizon Business is permitting all newsgroups presently carried to remain, EXCEPT for binaries.
For me, their action is a deal breaker. I'm simply undecided as to whether to go with a separate newsgroup provider, or dump VZ entirely and go with COX, entirely. | |
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Rattler
join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by niblifar :Am I to believe that child porn and some ignorant, political schmuck are the reasons for dropping them? It's the "stated" reason. The probable underlying one is, "Hey! We can get out of supplying a good percentage of what's on usenet, at least volume-wise, and blame it on curbing child pornography and the NY State Attorney General's office!"
While the listed ISPs have, oh so reluctantly  , knuckled under I'm sure others will eventually follow suit. Switching to another ISP to spite V* or Comcrap or whoever, will generate but a short reprieve from free ISP based server cutbacks.
It's only a matter of time before Cuomo (and other interests) continue the campaign by pursuing the commercial, premium server market as well. It's probably inevitable. The RIAA has already gone after usenetserver.com for providing De Facto access to "pirated" music. I'm fairly sure that there is little public support for that attack but, do it in the name of curbing child pornography, killing "alt." access covers a crapload of other bases at the same time.
Don't get me wrong, child pornography is a disgusting enterprise and anything, within a reasonable solution (which killing all alt. access is NOT), should be done to curb it. But using a 16# maul to kill a cockroach is nuts, especially when the hammer head goes through the floor.
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join:2003-01-06
| said by niblifar :Am I to believe that child porn and some ignorant, political schmuck are the reasons for dropping them? I knew this was a slippery slope when Verizon dumped a bunch of binary groups a few weeks back. Now they've dumped virtually everything and that slippery slope looks more ominous than ever.
What's next, blocking instant messaging programs and killing IRC? Wholesale blocking of websites and P2P because they *might* be used improperly? Where does it end?
Where's the outrage from Internet users? Left unchecked this can only get worse. | |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
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join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by Carnivore :I knew this was a slippery slope when Verizon dumped a bunch of binary groups a few weeks back. More like straight down a cliff than a slope.
I only wish they weren't lying about and using the porn as the excuse. All that does is show that they think their customers are too stupid to know it's just about money. | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Carnivore :said by niblifar :Am I to believe that child porn and some ignorant, political schmuck are the reasons for dropping them? I knew this was a slippery slope when Verizon dumped a bunch of binary groups a few weeks back. Now they've dumped virtually everything and that slippery slope looks more ominous than ever. What's next, blocking instant messaging programs and killing IRC? Wholesale blocking of websites and P2P because they *might* be used improperly? Where does it end? Where's the outrage from Internet users? Left unchecked this can only get worse. Ok, I admit up front of my ignorance of the newsgroups. I've never used them, nor even showed an interest in them. That said, where is it said that Verizon is blocking you from accessing newsgropus altogether? Maybe I missed something along the way, but the only ones you won't be able to access are theirs, right? It's no different than any other paid serice shutting their doors. The only outrage should be because people have to spend extra to access newsgroups now. The rest is just alarmist. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| said by niblifar :Am I to believe that child porn and some ignorant, political schmuck are the reasons for dropping them? »corp.sonic.net/ceo/2008/06/20/th···nternet/
According to the above, Sprint, Time-Warner Cable (Road Runner) and Verizon ran afoul of a sting operation. The resulting decision to trim newsgroups (or drop Usenet altogether, as Road Runner is doing) is a result of a settlement between the NYAG.
But this disease seems to be spreading; the state AG/Governor request for ISPs to curtail Usenet access, not the running afoul of existing laws.
It sounds like Verizon could have chosen to just curtail access to the offending groups, though.
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Verizon FiOS
join:2002-06-05
Yorktown Heights, NY
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by NormanS :said by niblifar :But this disease seems to be spreading; the state AG/Governor request for ISPs to curtail Usenet access, not the running afoul of existing laws. It sounds like Verizon could have chosen to just curtail access to the offending groups, though. The really scary thing about this is that the AG claimed that he was doing something good, when anyone who had a clue knew that is was really bogus since stuff can be posted anywhere (I am waiting for misc.consumers to be spammed and taken down). And then the ISP's turn around and use it as an excuse to cripple their newsgroup service, which was WAY beyond what was needed as a response. It's like they were waiting for an excuse to do this, and Cuomo gave it to them. | |
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join:2001-02-14
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
1 edit | They just added alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.singing-cowboy on May 30th and now they're taking it away. | |
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join:2008-06-19
Philadelphia, PA
| I signed on with Verizon because of the newsgroups. Their killing them, along with the terrible customer service (India) is reason enough for me to consider a switch. Are there any national ISPs or more specifically any Philadelphia area ISPs who offer anything like Verizon USED TO offer? Or is searching for such an ISP a lost cause? | |
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@verizon.net | child porn has nothing to do with it.they want their bandwidth back and they are a tool of the riaa.They could get rid of child porn by killing specific sites.They are taking away newsgroups from paying customers and lying about the reasons as well. | |
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join:2004-10-06
Finleyville, PA
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! I think this is going to cost verizon a lot more than they think... they probably thought of it in terms of only a small % of their users even use usenet & if some % of them leave they're still making out due to the bandwidth saved.
However, I think the majority will stay & just buy external usenet access - I just did. I used to get 300 down from the verizon news servers... with my new one it's not as steady, but it fluctuates between 250 and 600 (which is a nice suprise). The majority of the bandwidth they were losing to usenet is still going to be lost, but it's going to be out of network bandwidth - which I believe is much more expensive for them. | |
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Iceberg32
join:2008-05-17
Hobart, IN | Well, there we have it!
The verizon news server has basically had its balls cut off. The only reason to stay with the worst company ever created IMHO, Verizon, is now gone.
I can't wait to be free of this abomination to mankind. | |
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| Lysis
join:2005-03-30
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! just checked road runner forum, same post, both companies taking away newsgroups. Also for the guy saying Verizon is the worst company ever created, people say the same things about the cable companies in their forums, just a bad broadband situation in the USA methinks. | |
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@verizon.net | I just called the Verizon Online number to complain. The guy I spoke with was also surprised that they dropped most Usenet groups, too. The Verizon Online number is 800 567 6789 | |
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@verizon.net
| This is got to be some kind of conspiracy. What does the problem of child pornography has to do with newsgroup!?!? Shouldn't they go after the people who post them at first place as the root cause of problem? What if someone working for RIAA was the one who posted them? Would these same people go around internet and stuff these garbage into other service and make the same claim that those service should be shut down as well? This is some serious flaw in logic and violation of rights. | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! It seems that Verizon got smacked for not doing anything when law enforcement (though Verizon didn't know they were) informed them of instances of kiddie porn. So they promised the NY AG they would monitor things and deal with them in a better manner. Just getting rid of them makes it a whole lot easier to monitor now, doesn't it? Now it's someone elses problem. | |
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| This is only tangentially about child porn. What really happened was the AG in New York successfully argued that the ISPs have to censor the traffic coming in. Verizon (and everybody else) knew this was impossible since anybody can post anything in the alt.* groups regardless of the actual topic at hand. You could get an Xbox 360 game posted in alt.binaries.beastiality if you really wanted to.
So instead Verizon said "Hey, we can use this ruling as a cover to remove all the alt.* newsgroups because they're using up our bandwidth for (mostly) non-legit purposes."
It's not about Verizon covering their tails. This is about Verizon removing a service that they didn't like to provide in the first place. | |
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piggy2
@verizon.net
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! That's really bad. As an ISP, Verizon should at least know that they have the responsibility to set the record straight with AG of NY even if they has no more interest in providing newsgroup service. Without this understanding, the these AG might as well ask ISP to shut down email, IM or even the internet services itself since since the ISP would now know the exact content of any transmission.
Due to the lack of action by Verizon and these ISP, the front page news of arstechnica indicated that California Governor and AG has also send letter to ISP to block access to certain newsgroups. The ISP really need to get AG of each state understand what they are doing. | |
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@verizon.net | "the ISP would not know the exact content of any transmission."
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oldnslow2
join:2005-11-24
Waldwick, NJ
| I don't like this either, but complaining will likely have little impact. The best revenge if for all to sign up for a commercial service. The off network traffic will cost Verizon.
Here is a site which offers suggestions and prices. One offers a 20% discount for Verizon, Sprint, and TWC subscribers who just lost services (Newsgroupdirect). There may be others.
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join:2008-04-24
1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! »wwww.ngprovider.com has added ngroups.net special offers to verizon
The offers are visible from their start page. But it is only visible if you access it from Verizons network. The price is $29.99 per quarter | |
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| I asked Verizon about this over a week ago. Today, I got the following LIES from them:
said by Verizon :
We believe that limiting our Newsgroup service to the Big 8 groups will dramatically cut down on the availability of child pornography, which we believe is an important step in the overall fight against the exploitation of children online. We remain committed to combating child pornography and where we discover it on any Verizon server, we will immediately take action consistent with our terms of service to remove the content and report the matter to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Verizon's decision to limit its Newsgroup service to the Big 8 hierarchies does not prevent you or any other customer from accessing alt newsgroups through other Newsgroup services, including commercial Newsgroups as well as web-based services like Google Groups which are available at no charge.
How will it "dramatically cut down on the availability of child pornography" when it "does not prevent you or any other customer from accessing alt newsgroups through other Newsgroup services"? The answer is: It doesn't.
Any they don't even address the other (non-alt) newsgroups, like nyc.transit or nj.general.
Verizon doesn't even have the guts to admit they did it to reduce costs. Fucking liars.
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! said by Bobcat :How will it "dramatically cut down on the availability of child pornography" when it "does not prevent you or any other customer from accessing alt newsgroups through other Newsgroup services"? The answer is: It doesn't. Actually, it will, at least as far as content that's coming from them. It can be argued that, even though they aren't placing the content there, they are responsible for it since it's on their servers. Combine that with the complaints from the AG being that Verizon did little to nothing when they were notified the material existed, dropping down to 8 makes it a hell of a lot easier to monitor what's actually there. They just don't want the hassle. I don't doubt they were seeing dollar signs about the reduced costs from managing them, but saw bigger dollar signs from the savings in fines, legal fees, and threat of lawsuits that the AG of NY opened them to. Anyone thinking this is about saving bandwith needs to reconsider, since people will just go elsewhere, the bandwidth is just going to be moved off network. | |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! I disagree. It has nothing to do with child porn and everything to do with the expense of managing the news servers. I just want Verizon to stop LYING about it. | |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Well, that's not really all that much of a disagreement. I don't think it's the current cost that concerns them, but what the cost would be for them to manage (monitor) the service would become given the slap on the pee-pee they just got. It's just not worth the increasedcost and hassle for them to do it, so they just dropped it to 8. They probably came to the conclusion that to keep costs the same, that's what they could handle. Otherwise, why not just drop them totally? The backlash is still the same. | |
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | My response to the idiots at Verizon:
said by me :
You didn't answer my question!! Why did Verizon drop nyc.transit, nj.general, and alt.cellular.verizon? There was absolutely no child porn on those (and tens of thousands of other) groups.
Why doesn't Verizon admit that the REAL reason for dropping those groups is to reduce the expenses of running the news servers? Why does Verizon continue to LIE?
Verizon's management should be ASHAMED for the way they have acted regarding this issue, i.e., continuing to LIE to their customers.
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Re: News: Verizon KILLING their News Server!!! Ha, ha, they don't want any complaints:
said by Verizon :
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: customersupport@verizon.com
Reason: Server rejected MAIL FROM address.
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 5.7.1 Access denied
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Ryno
The Wanderer
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join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA | now they get to pay more for backbone as many people will be going out of network. | |
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MisterBill
Verizon FiOS
join:2002-06-05
Yorktown Heights, NY
| I have been a Verizon DSL customer for several years and stuck with them even though I have slow 1.5mbps DSL service (no FiOS for a few years due to underground wiring and I am too far from the central office for faster DSL. Yet I stuck with Verizon because the service was pretty good and they had decent newsgroup coverage.
At 2am on Tuesday, all of the alt. newsgroups were removed from the Verizon servers. At 3pm yesterday, my Verizon phone and DSL went out because a careless Verizon tech who was doing some work in the box that services my house damaged my wire. At 5:20pm yesterday I stopped by my local Cablevision office and picked up a cable modem. They have all of the newsgroups and as the CV ad says, it really is 5 times faster than my DSL service.
My DSL and phone service wee repaired this morning so I now have both DSL and Optimum Online but I suspect that I will be dropping my DSL connection before long. | |
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ | Re: Dropping Verizon DSL Yeah, but you'll find that OOL's newsgroups are outsourced, and speed-limited to 1 Mbps. And for the extra money you pay for OOL, you can buy access to a premium news server and have money left over. That's why I'm sticking with Verizon. | |
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Verizon FiOS
join:2002-06-05
Yorktown Heights, NY
| Re: Dropping Verizon DSL My entire DSL connection was limited to 1.5 Mbps because of distance from the c/o. It's not clear I was doing the 1 Mbps from their news server. And now that I'd have to go off-network to get to an outside news server, what are the odds I'll get anything close to that?
Also, I'm paying $29.95 a month for OOL for 6 months. That's less than I was paying for DSL. After 6 months (or maybe during) I may decide to go for Optimum Voice and I can save even more. | |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Re: Dropping Verizon DSL My combined POTS and DSL bill is $51. That's much cheaper than OOL+OV.
DSL plus a premium news server is less than OOL. The premium news server maxes-out my connection at 2.7 Mbps.
No matter which way I look at it, Verizon is cheaper than Cablevision. And my DSL is far more reliable than my OOL service ever was.
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