oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
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Re: Nexicom is using NebuAd
said by oh LOOK :
Nexicom is an Ontario ISP and our email asking company senior network admin Paul Stewart for his thoughts hasn’t yet been answered.
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[UPDATE] Nexicom replied
»www.p2pnet.net/story/16322
“We are at present monitoring the results of US Congress hearings and Canadian Privacy Office determinations. ”
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So guess based on that outcome Nexicom will be more than thrilled to give out user data if its a go. Even if the user "opt's out" they will still get the spam but not "personalized".
Nexicom gets my two-thumbs up for being dicks.
Buyer Beware.
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oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
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its on P2Pnet.net
»www.p2pnet.net/story/16322
“Here is a news tip for you,” said a p2pnet Reader’s Write —- “Ontario ISP, Nexicom caught red handed trying to sell off its users private data.”
It was referring to Robb's item in dslreports on July 3, which said:
“DSLReport users, I have to sadly report that Nexicom is selling everything you see and do on the Internet to NebuAd,” wondering, “Were you informed of this?”
Nexicom is an Ontario ISP and our email asking company senior network admin Paul Stewart for his thoughts hasn’t yet been answered.
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funchords
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Is that the 2012 video? I saw that video for the first time this weekend.
Do we know where they got that date from?
I -do- see things heading in that direction, and given what I'm seeing in the industry, that date is plausible. Of the orchestrated efforts I'm seeing, that's not one of them.
I have no problem with someone building an Information Service or something in competition with the Internet. They've existed before, and they've been all over the place. They're just not very popular.
One example that they give is Telus Mobility page that charges 5c per page view on cheap cell phone plans that have no other wireless internet access fee. No airtime fee. They do offer internet plans that are flat rate as well.
So I'm not really impressed with the 2012 story, but the DPI equipment to make it happen does exist.
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jfmezei
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| reply to oh yeah
Companies are in business to make money. If some manager can produce some powerpoint presentation that shows that adding a new feature will generate more revenus, even if it is a temporarily unpopular move, then the company will go ahead.
This is especially true if the powerpoint has a neat page showing all the other ISPs doing it, with the argument that it is inevitable that all ISPs will do it, so customers will not leave you since other ISPs will also have that feature.
Another important aspect is that high speed penetration is reaching a point where growth from customer switching fro dialup to high speed is slowing because market penetration is nearing its full potential. This means that companies realise that revenue growth will either come from stealing customers from other ISPs, or increasing revenu sources though such shananigans as Nebuad.
When I first saw the youtube videos from the belgium guys with the lovely Tania, I saw them as granola extremists with tin foil hats. But as I dug into what those DPI devices were really capable of, and looking at the similar steps many of the large ISPs are taking, what they are predicting is actually very realistic. And it is very scary. |
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oh yeah
@videotron.ca | reply to funchords
unfreakn-believable.
This company should rot in hell.
When a company stoops this low you know its in dire need of cash flow. |
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funchords
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1 edit | reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei  :Just how much revenu does Nebuad promise ISPs who are willing to ruin their image ? Is the revenu potential really that great ? Karl reported in one of his stories that it was $2.50 per active profile per month, so there is built in incentive not to "robustly" notify users as (reportedly) required by NebuAd.
As far as I can tell, robust notification prior only happened in the case of Charter who then got publicly reamed for even suggesting putting such a device on their lines. As the fires and stakes were being set, over 1 Million people on other ISPs were already being spied on.
If Charter deserves what it got, then what do these other ISPs deserve?
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jfmezei
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| reply to Guspaz
Just how much revenu does Nebuad promise ISPs who are willing to ruin their image ? Is the revenu potential really that great ?
And by the way, why do you think Rogers *really* has those boxes that can insert content into HTML on the fly ?& Do you *really* think that they paid all this money only to pop a warning about bandwdith usage now and then ?
They too will get deal with nebuad or similar agency and not only collect info, but insert ads in all the html.
When I first saw those belgians (with tanya with the "pleasing to the eye" figure), I figured they were somewhat granola extremists, but after looking at what the staanic DPI boxes can do and looking at all the hints sent out by the large isps, I am starting to relally believe them
The goal is to cripple their standard offering, possibly lower the price, but then sell you options to regain access to varous applications/sites on the net.
And they'll block things with good reasons. For instance, they will annoucne with great fanfare that their vbasic offering now has porn blockers to prevent kids from stumbling on porn, and you have to pay extra to have porn site re-activated.
Then will come a general block where they only enable approved sites, and they will claim that this is to protect the masses from illicit web sutes, phishing sites, malware, sites that download viruses to windows wtc etc.
In the end, you'll need to buy lots of extra sto get the internet you get today and the isiot clueless management will be happy to see new revenu streams, even if they end up losing customers.
And they won't lose too many customers because all the big ISps are doing it.
and it sin't just canada. Virgin UK us screwing customers big time there.
It is no wonder Cisco made a filing supporting bell to the crtc. If the CRTC decides to ban DPI equipment, cisco loses a lt of money with teh equipment at rogers. |
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| reply to funchords
The pricavy policy update makes it sound like it went beyond considering; it sounds like it was GOING to be implemented until somebody with half a brain pointed out how problematic (and probably illegal) it would be.
There's concerns that Bell might be violating privacy laws by using DPI for throttling. But to actually use DPI for recording non-anonymous browsing habits and using that to feed back ads? That goes way beyond what Bell is doing. |
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wowsers
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said by CanerisErik :Way to go folks. Butcher them before even finding out the real story. Just like all the recent throttling conspiracy threads. Everything suddenly revolves around throttling and everything must be Bell's fault because someone finds it convenient to assume so just so they can get on the bandwagon and slam someone else. Rumors are taken as facts and one person's baseless opinion or rant or intentional lie is always valued above reality and is always a wonderful reason to start yet another "bash company x" or "bash person y" thread. Hey, that's what DSLR is all about, right? you obviously did not RTF original post. thank goodness you are not a moderator |
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funchords
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said by CanerisErik :Way to go folks. Butcher them before even finding out the real story. THEY said in THEIR OWN Privacy Policy online YESTERDAY that they were using NebuAd since APRIL.
Don't bitch at me or the other DSLReports.com readers for believing NEXICOM's website.
Nexicom, I'm very glad to hear this. --Robb
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said by CanerisErik :Way to go folks. Butcher them before even finding out the real story. Just like all the recent throttling conspiracy threads. Everything suddenly revolves around throttling and everything must be Bell's fault because someone finds it convenient to assume so just so they can get on the bandwagon and slam someone else. Rumors are taken as facts and one person's baseless opinion or rant or intentional lie is always valued above reality and is always a wonderful reason to start yet another "bash company x" or "bash person y" thread. Hey, that's what DSLR is all about, right? Hear, hear. Oh and BTW folks make sure you secure your LANs. I know how to sniff VoIP packets. 
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CanerisErik
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| reply to funchords
Way to go folks. Butcher them before even finding out the real story.
Just like all the recent throttling conspiracy threads. Everything suddenly revolves around throttling and everything must be Bell's fault because someone finds it convenient to assume so just so they can get on the bandwagon and slam someone else.
Rumors are taken as facts and one person's baseless opinion or rant or intentional lie is always valued above reality and is always a wonderful reason to start yet another "bash company x" or "bash person y" thread.
Hey, that's what DSLR is all about, right? |
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pstewart
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| reply to funchords
Nexicom was investigating using the NebuAd service. The software was never implemented at any time as there were concerns on several levels regarding privacy issues.
References to NebuAd in Nexicom's Privacy Policy has been removed.
Paul Stewart
Senior Network Administrator
Nexicom Inc.
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Quake110
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | reply to funchords
Nexicom = member of the "Axis of Evil", as George W. Bush will say. |
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diskace
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join:2002-02-21 | reply to sbrook
»www.freepress.net/files/NebuAd_Report.pdf
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to funchords
This has to turn into another "enhanced internet experience" |
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weales
join:2002-06-30 | reply to funchords
Awaiting the Nexicom guy on here to respond, if he even does. |
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HiVolt
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If the opt-out procedure is a cookie, that's really a dirty trick, since it's not permanent...
People will clear their cookies, use different browser, different account or another computer on their home LAN, then the ads will continue to appear...
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bitchtorn
join:2006-10-11
Peterborough, ON | reply to funchords
hmmm... is there a way to opt out of everything behind a pppoe account? Without the cookie trick? we use a number of PC's, I don't want my "ad's" showing up on the wife's computer. =)
Is that how it would work? |
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watchout
@teksavvy.com | reply to Guspaz
Oh my god!
Nexicom is the DEVIL! |
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