insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| That is one hell of a downgrade
Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on. After that you have to turn the box off and back on to get your picture to show up. It basically means a universal remote with an all one button is useless. My buddy was frustrated by the sync issue and by their lack of hd channels so he dropped back to basic cable within a week. It just wasn't worth paying more for almost nothing. |
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hobgoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| said by insomniac84  :Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on. After that you have to turn the box off and back on to get your picture to show up. It basically means a universal remote with an all one button is useless. My buddy was frustrated by the sync issue and by their lack of hd channels so he dropped back to basic cable within a week. It just wasn't worth paying more for almost nothing. WTF are you talking about?
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | reply to insomniac84
We recently cancelled cable all-together because the Comcast HD DVR would drop audio throughout the programming. OTA with Media Center works much better. |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | reply to insomniac84
I don't have that problem with SA8300HDC. |
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cao1964
join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA
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said by insomniac84 :Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on... Same problem here, thought it was an issue with cable but realized they boxes just don't work right. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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·ViaTalk
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said by xenophon :I don't have that problem with SA8300HDC. I do. The 8300HDC is a POS.
My TivoHD NEVER has that problem.
Hopefully TWC NY will take their time with SDV. At least until FIOS is available to the city. You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!" |
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
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He's talking about the glitch that occurs sometimes with an HDMI connection and certain TVs/receivers. On mine, if I turn the cable box on first and then the receiver/TV, the picture shows up pink or green. This is caused by the HDCP link up and timing; it wants the so-called 'authenticator' to be active first.
It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. The same problem happens when I watch HD-DVD or streamed movies through the 360; it'll go black and I have to switch signals back and forth before the HDCP will click in properly. |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | reply to Cogdis
Might be newer version of Navigator, which doesn't have this problem. We're on 2.4.10_11 now. |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
4 edits | reply to Cogdis
said by Cogdis :You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!" Verizon has been in a major hurry to ditch the analog channels they carry on FIOS and pretty slow to add HD channels. With the current FIOS setup and design, they're limited to the same 860 Mhz RF bandwidth for TV that channels many cable providers are... so "totally out"? No, but the limitations they've run into has caused them to change their plans and look at IPTV in the not too distant future.
It's all the talk here:
»www2.dslreports.com/forum/r20347···-Markets
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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said by ReVeLaTeD :It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. No, it is a TWC issue. They give people flawed hardware. Most cable boxes do not suffer from this problem. I can't wait until the day some kind of drm screws up right in the middle of the superbowl. That might actually get people to fix things. |
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| If it were a TWC issue, other connection types would be similarly impacted. They're not. It's only HDMI. And as I said, other devices have similar problems with HDMI.
HDMI is the culprit. In their haste to lock down the "perfect connection", issues were created with the convenience factor. It's almost better to use Component and optical so you don't have to deal with that crap. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
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·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP
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said by insomniac84 :Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. i leave my Box on 24/7 no issuses with HDCP syncing up |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
4 edits | said by insomniac84 :Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) The fault can go multiple ways, box, tv, guide... including the cable in between too.
It's possible the TV has an issue with the HDMI signal the box puts out, even if the box signal correctly follows the HDCP spec. It's possible the TV is NOT communicating with the box correctly during the sync.
See the Fios TV thread regarding Samsung TVs and their boxes as an example...
or read this:
»utahtechinfo.com/video/hdmi.html
or this:
»www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/t···233.html
or this:
»www.avrant.com/?p=194
HDCP over HDMI is by no means perfect, even if everybody is following the same spec. Component connections are far more reliable...
Either way though, it has NOTHING to do with Tivo users not being able to use SDV. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | It does if they are being forced to use these crappy boxes until cablecard is supported again. |
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ReVeLaTeD
Premium
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
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Trust me.
Set up an Xbox 360 via HDMI, and attempt to watch anything. DVD, HD-DVD, doesn't matter. The screen will stay black. Switch inputs and the picture comes in, and the flash at the bottom tells you "HDCP Secure link not found", then "HDCP secure link restored".
The devices not communicating is the root cause. The TWC box isn't doing anything wrong, it's the spec that has the issue. |
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