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lvlorpheus
join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR
1 edit | reply to fiberguy
Re: Try it in a college town
fiberguy/string-N-canGuy statements.
1.) "Ever heard of 911?"
2.) "The internet REMAINS a LUXURY. You've provided nothing that can't be done outside of the internet."
3.) "Does a car make it easier for you to get from point A to B? Sure.. people can still walk or take a bus, or ride a bike and do the same."
4.) "And, I could care less if people get charged a fee to NOT use the internet to pay a bill. WHO CARES?"
5.) "Please, name ONE thing that can ONLY be done online that is an integral part of society."
6.) "NOTHING you have described is not perfectly able to be done now, AND with as little as a 256k line."
7.) "all these "life sustaining" things that everyone's thrown at me, none of that can't be done with something as little as a 256 line."
8.) Everything you just described has all been things that makes things more convenient.
9.) "It still doesn't make it a "necessity".. it means you still have the option to, oh my, MAIL your payment! Novel concept! Fees are not an excuse."
10.) "Cutting out oil isn't the answer."
Early on you ask for "ONE thing that can ONLY" be done on the internet as you insist it is not necessity or that will improve society. Then you are given a number of examples and you change your point of view and say "NOTHING you have described is not perfectly able to be done now, AND with as little as a 256k line." Until you are going to stand behind one point or the other it is a waist of my time to try to get you to come out of the dark and take your blinders off.
I don't recall anyone saying we should all have 50 meg connections, just that the internet has become a very important and ever more necessary tool. Although it would be nice if we could get a semblance of what companies in Japan are able to provide to their customers.
I never said cutting out oil was the answer. I said "Reducing our dependence on foreign oil and sending billions of dollars to a region that does not always hold America and Americans in the highest regard makes it a necessity. Every fraction of a cent paid for gas that does not go to terrorists who want to destroy or way of life/society and kill us all makes it a necessity."
"And, to be honest, if $42 is too much for you to pay for something that is SOOOOOOOO important, then maybe you need to rethink your own personal finances." I pay $120 a month for two "unlimited" EV-DO connections from Alltel and used less than 300 GB of data last year from the two connections combined. And the #5 cell provider not once complained, contacted me, or questioned any of that usage. So with Verizon buying Alltel their 5 GB caps worry me a great deal. That less than 300 GB of data would of cost me over $70,000 under the pricing plan Verizon had last week. Now with their new plans if I use 6+ gigs a month on each account it will cost me $8640 a year for 144+ GB of data. If the #5 cell provider can do it "with no complaints" then the #2 soon to be #1 cell provider should be able to at least come up with fair caps. You have the luxary of shooting your mouth off because you get to take the internet for granted. Trade those three $42 connections you have in for three $60 5 GB Verizon EV-DO connections and lets see if you are then ready to come in out of the dark and take the blinders off. | |
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| So.. now that you've gone to this length.. you still haven't addressed the very issue as to WHY it needs to be a "UTILITY"..
You've steered clear of everything, spun, and side stepped the issues. You sure quoted me a lot which was un necessary. I think the fact that my message is RIGHT ABOVE YOURS is pretty clear what I said. I stand behind my statements.
The one thing you did mention was the desire of Verizon to buy Altel Regulating it as a utility isn't going to change anything about you and your "2 EV-DO" connections. I happen to have a few of them myself. Regulations mean NOTHING in that regard. Even under regulation or utility, all a provider has to do is petition and show that they need to charge more for their service, and guess what?
The ultimate reason you want the service to be a utility is that you HOPE that it will lower your bill! My So-called blinders remain on, thank you, because I am realistic in my thinking. I TOLD you in my last message it was about your hopes to keep service "cheap"..
Mobile broadband isn't ready for high usage right now. THAT is reality! When there is a supply and demand issue, it's always going to make prices stay high. The mobile broadband service (or as you like to call it, EV-DO) is not ready for prime time and everyone to just throw the kitchen sink at it. I am GLAD it still expensive. I use it all the time for business when I travel. I NEED to stay connected. I know some people want to buy it as unlimited and then start pulling the same crap they do with a residential connection and download everything they can! The reality is, is not going to happen.. not now, not at this time!
Since I use my service for business, which it still is built and modeled for, I know that if I use more, I will pay more.. and I am ok with that. I've been an early adopter in MANY technologies INCLUDING DLS when a 256 line cost $120 a month with a $300 install, $120 modem fee, and 3 year contract. How about you? I had cell phone service back in the late 80's when you paid a $29 access fee and 30 cents peak and 15 cent off peak rate. Did you? I had expensive ISDN lines in my home costing upwards to $200 a month for 144k, did you? I'll take my so called blinders off when you take off your rose colored glasses.
Further, I could care less about oil - you brought it up and I think it's not appropriate in this conversation.
.. and, keep up with the name calling, it's very adult of you. | |
lvlorpheus
join:2008-02-17
Eureka Springs, AR
4 edits | At this point I am going to have to quote someone else from the conversation.
"are you that stupid?"
"Further, I could care less about oil - you brought it up and I think it's not appropriate in this conversation." You keep saying the internet is not necessary in society today or tomorrow ... Every tool that can be used to keep money out of the hands of people that want to destroy our way of life is a necessity.
"Further, I could care less about oil -..."
If you don't care about major impacts on our society why am I even wasting my time on you. | |
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