LeftOfSanity
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Re: What a massive waste
said by TKJunkMail  :said by Alky :Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that. Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service? It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building. Read the details here: » www.philly.com/philly/entertainm···ral.htmlTo comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden. Haven't you learned that when it come to Comcast, the facts don't matter? 
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1 edit | Why should they? Comcast isn't exactly forthcoming with facts. |
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More like when you're SHILLING for Comcast, the facts don't matter.
TK engaged in a bit of selective quoting.
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However, in a 2006 letter to the city Art Commission, he had indicated that the company was required to spend at least $905,000, and that the fountain ($950,000) and the Borofsky sculpture ($1.6 million) would surpass that amount. The video wall was not included in the proposal, presumably because it wasn't needed to satisfy the zoning code, but perhaps also because keeping that project out of the official public-art domain allowed Liberty more flexibility in how it might be used in the future.
The Video Wall was not a gov't mandated art anything. It's was Brian "BMW" Robert's idea.
»broadcastengineering.com/news/co···es-0624/
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The lobby installation was conceived by Comcast chairman and CEO Brian Roberts as a gift to the people of Philadelphia.
The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building. Comcast also paid $250M for furnishings. Roberts thought it up and like the switch from stone to glass, insisted on it's installation. |
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| So the video wall belongs to the building owner and is leasing it to Comcast. Just like the cafeteria, offices, & bathrooms.
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4 edits | Depends on the terms of the lease and whether the wall is considered a permanent installation. It certainly doesn't have to belong to the building owner just as the cafeteria may not if it's not a "permanent installation".
Comcast and Liberty call it a "gift" to the city, so who knows what the actual terms of the lease are. The telling tale would be who pays to fix it. When you're spending $250M on desks and chairs, another $22M for a giant TV isn't beyond the wasteful capacity of Comcast.
But there is no doubt it was Comcast's creation, and it's subscriber money (at nearly $40/ft) that is paying for this glass tower for Roberts and his cronies.
My lease (of course I'm not leasing 1M sqft) wouldn't be that different. Build to suit is common, but it is I who pay for these improvements outright or negotiate it as part of the lease (so I'm still paying, but just paying over time). |
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| You have a VERY strange concept of who's money it is. You imply that the "subscribers" have any say over the money because it's "their" money, as in the subscribers. Need a lesson on economics? Comcast set a price for a product, THOSE OF US who live in comcast territory, unlike SOME around here, agree to pay it. The money changes hand. The SUBSCRIBER got the service, the company keeps the money. See? easy.
Some how you think that the subscribers are entitled to how the revenue of comcast is spent after their bills are paid. ABSURD! The only say a subscriber has is to cancel their service and not be a part of the process.
This is no different than you having any say against the way an Albertsons or Safeway spends their money after you buy groceries, or how Best Buy spends their money.
If you don't like it, then move along - it's not your place to say, NOR judge! You're not even a subscriber! I think you like to bitch, just to bitch! |
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4 edits | Wrong again sport. I was a customer of Comcrap between ATTB and Time Warner. I have first hand experience with their 2X a year 3X inflation price increases, nastygrams for violating their phantom caps and the ever cool 30% "how dare you not have our crap CATV" penalty.
It is the subscribers money. The subscribers pay and Comcast comes back telling them they must take increases because of this or that. Meanwhile as service gets worse and worse and prices get higher and higher, they build their ivory tower with hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars.
If Comcast and their shills want to avoid criticism, they could stop wasting hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars on bullshit and start providing decent service.
Oh, and yeah, the money I make from my business is my customers' money. In exchange for the sums they pay, they expect and get the best product and best service in my industry. And DAMN STRAIGHT if my customer service rankings were below that of the IRS, I would be putting THEIR hard paid money into improving service and quality, not a new HD screen for the lobby and fancy desk for my office. |
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2 edits | You aren't any more.. If you have those problems, take it to the rant forum where it belongs! |
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maxpower
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Re: What a massive waste
Since when does being logical make you a shill? |
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Since when was my last post to this item offensive or OT?  |
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said by maxpower :Since when does being logical make you a shill? Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do. |
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| said by Dogfather :Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do. Just so I understand the rules, you're making the sole determination what does and doesn't fall into the category of 'inexcusable', and anybody else who has a differing opinion is either wrong or a corporate shill (or both)? |
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4 edits | There's no rules. Someone who CONSTANTLY kisses the ass of any particular business no matter what they do is a shill.
And yeah, I'm safe in saying that Comcast engaging in predatory pricing in inexcusable and Verizon stealing $2B from Pennsylvania taxpayers in inexcusable. I also say that Comcast wasting hundreds of millions on their ivory tower while their customer service sinks below that of the Internal Revenue Service is inexcusable. I say charging $7.50 for caller ID and $1.50 to stay out of the phone book, 'you didn't use enough long distance fees' and converting the USF into regulatory recover fees are all inexcusable.
The shills defend their price increases. The shills defend their horrid customer service ratings. They defend the wasting of money. They defend their draconian network management policies. Hell, they defend charging $1.50 to keep yer name out of the phone book. Meanwhile they CONSTANTLY assail competitors, no matter what good they do.
You can disagree with some of these assertions, of course. But when you CONSTANTLY side with the telcos or CONSTANTLY side with cable, or CONSTANTLY side with big business...you're a shill. No business, no industry, no government, no party, no anything is perfect however these various fanboy shills rarely if ever find faults in anything their heroes do.
They're nothing but spokesholes for their coaxial or twisted pair masters. If we wanted talking points, we can get those at corporate websites. |
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"I was a customer"
So what do you care? I think you are confusing a "Shareholder" and a "Customer" If you were a shareholder then you might have a valid complaint. As a customer you can take your money else where if you don't like how they spend the money they make off of you. |
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4 edits | No guy. Comcast's customer service is in decline (to the point they're rated lower than the IRS) and they're constantly raising prices. it's a valid bitch to protest these issues when they're wasting hundreds of millions on fluff. It's also valid when they're looking kill the ownership cap and acquire new cable systems, bringing their horrid service to new areas (like they did at my Inland Empire home where they bought ATTB and ran it into the ground).
Reverse the download spiral of customer service, slow the rate of the price increases to something even remotely reflecting inflation and THEN waste some dough on the fluff.
And in a lot of markets, Comcast has no competitor, especially in low latency data services. In others where there is a new competitor, Comcast engages in illegal predatory pricing to run them out of business. »Comcast Vs. Utopia »'Discounted' Competition
But enough of this. The cable fanboys will defend everything Comcast does no matter what just as telco fanboys defend everything the telcos do no matter what. Pointing out the obvious flaws in either industry doesn't slow down their regurgitation of corporate talking points. |
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When you exist in a market with very limited competition or basic non-competition you can spend as much money as you like on fancy luxuries and just increase the price to your subscribers to cover whatever expenses you like.... you also can get away with shoddier service and customer service due to the lack of options for the customers.
That's the basic point.
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LeftOfSanity
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So does that make you and anti-corporation shill? |
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4 edits | It would if you didn't bother to look at my post history which includes supporting civil immunity for the telcos and elimination of all corporate taxes. This is too funny
First I'm all about being an telco shill and always assailing Comcast
»Karl, you have proof that COMCAST published it?
»Re: "He who gets the last laugh.. "
Never having a bad word to say about Verizon
»They promised PA stuff too
»Last mile will kill them
Or AT&T
»Re: Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
»Telcos need to get a clue
»AT&T greed...
»Re: AT&T greed...
And now I'm an anti-corporate shill...
»Rebate Checks + Permanent Tax Cuts
...while being one of the few who sides with civil immunity for the telcos
»So what
»No win scenario for the Telcos
The fanboys will see only what they want to see. They have selective memories.
Meanwhile I'll continue my shilling on behalf of the taxpayers and rate payers.
»Re: So what
You want to side against rate payers and tax payers...more power to ya. |
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| Quack all you want, but you're still a shill to your own side. You go through and pull up selective posts to support your spin, however, you fail to pull the ones where I too don't support Comcast and I too have supported phone in where I feel they've done right.
So, in your quest to point the fingers at others around here, you have failed to support your arguments. One act of dissent doesn't take away that you are such an anti-XXXX extremest.
Besides, when did it become YOUR job to come to this forum and post the every so common "You're a shill" message to anyone that disagrees with you?
EVEN IF I were a shill, which I am not and is NONE of your concern, what the hell does it matter and who made you police of BBR? Last time I checked, you are not a Mod, so STOP ACTING LIKE ONE!
I think you need to take light to the TOS here at BBR.
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"2) harasses another person or advocates such harassment or causes them to be fearful;"
While I am not fearful of you, your constant harassment is getting old!
If you do not like the fact that I do not agree with you and you can't change it, then DO NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS! Use the ignore button and move on!
Both you and BBR need to start enforcing their own TOS agreement here. I have a right to post my messages and views here in this forum with out someone like you coming behind me and acting like a 4 year old, calling me shill, and other names. I have every right not to have a view that does not agree with yours, no matter what that may be, and I have a right to do so, as do many others, with out being harassed as the way you have been.
Your actions are beyond cute or even funny.. they are down right harassing and belligerent . I'd advise you, and the mods here, to stop this activity immediately.
It is NOT your place to seek out and identify people who may or may not be so-call shills, now is it?
I am making this clean RIGHT NOW.. I am not a paid corporate spokes person, I am not compensated in anyway by ANY communications company, it is not my job OR hobby to defend or make any organization look good or better - PERIOD! You, and ANYONE ELSE who things so, needs to get this through your head. I speak ONLY for myself and my views are my own - NO ONE ELSES!
SO KNOCK IT THE F*&* OFF!
You, and your friends, need to knock it off and abide by the rules here at BBR, INCLUDING the mods who let people like you get away with this kind of behavior which goes against the very TOS that we ALL agree to by using this site. |
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