jester121
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Re: How is this any different than a VPN?
said by Matt  :I respect the motivation of the Pirate Bay, but I question their fundamental knowledge of network protocols. I question yours. L2TP is actually a layer 5 protocol which operates over UDP (layer 3). It's called "L2" because to the applications using it, it appears as a layer 2 transport. |
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Matt
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| said by jester121 :said by Matt :I respect the motivation of the Pirate Bay, but I question their fundamental knowledge of network protocols. I question yours. L2TP is actually a layer 5 protocol which operates over UDP (layer 3). It's called "L2" because to the applications using it, it appears as a layer 2 transport. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize it actually operated at the session layer.
It still doesn't change the fact their approach is flawed. This isn't the first half-baked idea they've come up with that - even someone who didn't know that L2TP is actually a Layer 5 protocol - can see the holes in. |
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jester121
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| I agree, and the rest of your statement was pretty much correct. A point-to-point connection doesn't do much good in the P2P model, and the processing load associated with creating and tearing down VPN-type tunnels to hundreds of peers would render it pretty much useless.
I don't know what the profit motive would be, but if someone wanted to create a "hub" in a friendly jurisdiction that would basically proxy encrypted connections for P2P transfers, it would completely stymie the MPAA/RIAA in their enforcement efforts. Just like the anon proxies people use for web surfing, but with encryption. All the **AA could do is sue for the hub provider to provide IP addresses, and like TPB this probably wouldn't accomplish much. The bandwidth and processing requirements would be huge. |
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| said by jester121 :I don't know what the profit motive would be, but if someone wanted to create a "hub" in a friendly jurisdiction that would basically proxy encrypted connections for P2P transfers, it would completely stymie the MPAA/RIAA in their enforcement efforts. Just like the anon proxies people use for web surfing, but with encryption. All the **AA could do is sue for the hub provider to provide IP addresses, and like TPB this probably wouldn't accomplish much. The bandwidth and processing requirements would be huge. That is what I was thinking too. Create a centralized hub, but then we're back to the days when the **AA's just have to go after one set of servers ... unless it's a Tor type network. Tor definitely could not support torrents though, so I just don't see where they are going with this. |
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