NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to heat84
Re: Is AT&T removing alt.* newsgroups
said by heat84  :ts only happening to ISP newsservers. Because the ISPs are tired of paying to maintain a service very few of their customers are actually using.
Comcast is outsourcing to Giganews for the same reason that AT&T is dropping the entire 'alt.binaries.*', which is way more groups than NYAG Andrew Cuomo was concerned about. Cost.
Giganews offers their lowest tier, 2GB per month, at just $7.99 per month. You want to move more data, you have to pay Giganews more money.
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 ·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to TheDarkRide
said by TheDarkRide :Not an AT&T decision. Repeat (for the slow people): NOT AN AT&T DECISION. It's happening everywhere, stupids. I'm sure you'll enjoy fighting IP filtering problems with cable. Its only happening to ISP newsservers. If the poster before you moves to Comcast he would get around it because they outsource to Giganews. Of course Comcast has a 2GB cap on newsserver downloads. So he'll still be mostly screwed. |
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TheDarkRide
Pimpin' ain't easy
join:2004-06-15
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to SickTirde of POS
Not an AT&T decision. Repeat (for the slow people): NOT AN AT&T DECISION.
It's happening everywhere, stupids.
I'm sure you'll enjoy fighting IP filtering problems with cable. |
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SickTirde of POS
@bellsouth.net
| reply to Zoder
I too will be looking to switch.....if they are worried about kidie porn, then they should monitor better.....
Oh well no big loss, now I can get rid of ATT DSL AND my land line....
Thanks AT&T for making this decision a lot easier...
Cya ATT&T |
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gsorel
join:2008-04-24 | reply to Zoder
Nroups.NET, speed is any good ? Ngroups.net is a reseller of highwind; You can trust them
»www.ngprovider.com |
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athz
@bellsouth.net
| reply to Zoder
Ngroups.NET discounts for Time Warner, Verizon and Sprint (and ATT/BELLSOUTH/SHITSOUTH)
ngroups.net — Following the limits or outright shutdowns of Usenet newsgroup services by the ISP:s Time Warner, Verizon and Sprint, Ngroups.NET offers a Usenet Newsgroup access package approximately 25% off the regular price for unlimited accounts. At only $29.99 per quarter, less than 10 dollars a month, it's probably the cheapest accounts currently offered.
i think this even better than "$6.00/month subscription to news service with Altopia »www.altopia.com"
but i have not tried it yet so i don't know about the speed but the retention is 100 days +, so
www.altopia.com (12 day retention 2 connections $6
Ngroups.NET (100 day retention 12 connections $10 (if you pay for 3 months)
any know if Ngroups.NET, speed is any good ? |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to TheDarkRide
I was not aware that AT&T had outsourced their NNTP service. Of course, I use the 'news.sf.sbcglobal.net' NNTP server, which is on an IP address in the 'prodigy.net' domain. Used to be run by Prodigy, so I am told.
And...
The IP address, itself, is actually owned by AT&T Internet Services, which was called, "SBC Internet Services" before SBC bought AT&T, then changed the name of the company.
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
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FAQFixer
Premium
join:2004-06-28
Powder Springs, GA
| reply to leaving ATT
said by leaving ATT :
Just read this.
In its ruling Tuesday, the federal appeals court concluded that the Child Online Protection Act is unconstitutionally overly broad and vague. The court also ruled that the law violates the First Amendment because filtering technologies and other parental control tools offer a less restrictive way to protect children from inappropriate content online.
The best way to protect your company is to not offer the service at all. You don't worry about any law or court cases because they don't apply to you. Pretty smart huh? |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to leaving ATT
Except that Andrew Cuomo isn't trying to protect children from access to salacious content, he is trying to prevent everybody else from accessing content involving underage participants in salacious activity. The latter is, in most jurisdictions, a criminal act (the depiction of underage participants engaged in salacious activity).
It is still overly broad, IMHO, to chop all binary groups when so few were problematic. But I don't think the NYAG cares that the ISPs are being overly broad, as long as they include his pet newsgroups in the access denied list.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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leaving ATT
@sbcglobal.net
| reply to graysonf
Just read this.
In its ruling Tuesday, the federal appeals court concluded that the Child Online Protection Act is unconstitutionally overly broad and vague. The court also ruled that the law violates the First Amendment because filtering technologies and other parental control tools offer a less restrictive way to protect children from inappropriate content online. |
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
Premium
join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
·AT&T Southeast
 ·Vonage
 ·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
1 edit | reply to Mizzat
said by Mizzat :Start? It has been like that for a long time, I thought. You always pay a month ahead for phone service. That was my thought too, but it has been several years since I had POTS service, so I could not be sure. I do know that my AT&T Wireless and AT&T CallVantage accounts are paid in advance.
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We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
Premium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to mikey12345
said by mikey12345 :
Not only are the removing some newsgroups, they are going to start charging in advance for phone service. Just received the notice. So look for two bills soon for the same month.
Start? It has been like that for a long time, I thought. You always pay a month ahead for phone service. |
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
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join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
·AT&T Southeast
·Vonage
·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
1 edit | reply to uhhhright
said by uhhhright :
Please tell me how they would charge in advance for phone service? It's not a flat rate with all customers. Factor in per use call return and LD/collect calls. How would that be applied? To the next months bill? What's the point? I'll believe that when I see it.
It would work the same way it has always worked for cell phone service. The base monthly fee is paid in advance, but any extra charges can be billed 30-90 days later.
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We can never have enough of nature.
We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.
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uhhhright
| reply to mikey12345
Please tell me how they would charge in advance for phone service? It's not a flat rate with all customers. Factor in per use call return and LD/collect calls. How would that be applied? To the next months bill? What's the point? I'll believe that when I see it.
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mikey12345
@bellsouth.net | reply to Zoder
Not only are the removing some newsgroups, they are going to start charging in advance for phone service. Just received the notice. So look for two bills soon for the same month. |
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Claybraker
join:2002-04-13
none
| reply to FAQFixer
said by FAQFixer :You can say you represent the .062% of customers that actually use newsgroups. Woot!!
Used to think it was really kewl to be in the upper 1% on standardized tests, but the upper .062% of net users? Subscribe!1!! |
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
Premium
join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
·AT&T Southeast
·Vonage
·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
| reply to Squeezer
said by Squeezer :has anyone thought of emailling/calling at&t's board of directors and complaining? That is an excellent idea. Make sure that you ask to speak to Ernestine, she is the executive assistant for customer complaints.
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We can never have enough of nature.
We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.
Test your firewall. |
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FAQFixer
Premium
join:2004-06-28
Powder Springs, GA
| reply to Squeezer
said by Squeezer :has anyone thought of emailling/calling at&t's board of directors and complaining? Yeah, I say do it. You can say you represent the .062% of customers that actually use newsgroups. You could go on to explain that you are part of the less than 5% of the binary newsgroup users who don't use it to illegally download copyrighted material...let alone child porn. You could even hit home the point that binary newsgroup users on average consume far, far, far more bandwidth than typical consumers. I probably wouldn't even mention the huge peering bandwidth though...that might push them to not rethink the decision.
Let us know how it goes.
/sarcasm |
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Squeezer
join:2002-01-03
Byram, MS | reply to Zoder
has anyone thought of emailling/calling at&t's board of directors and complaining? |
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nntp user
@sbcglobal.net | reply to Zoder
Yes, AT&T removed all Alt.Binaries |
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