TKJunkMail
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Re: A word on QOS and prioritization
said by viperlmw  :From the article: "Like most techs, Topolski doesn't oppose reasonable network management (booting high consumption users, some QOS and prioritization)" I got lambasted here by an ex-mod for suggesting that QOS has the potential to be useful (mostly centering around VOIP/ip video), and was basically told I didn't know what I was talking about even when I showed documentation. So if QOS/prioritization are going to be discussed, I'll go get my waders out again, 'cause it's gonna get deep. You know you are not allowed to speak out against the bandwidth hogs or you will be attacked. It is against populist mob rule to demand people not get unlimited everything for free.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by viperlmw :From the article: "Like most techs, Topolski doesn't oppose reasonable network management (booting high consumption users, some QOS and prioritization)" I got lambasted here by an ex-mod for suggesting that QOS has the potential to be useful (mostly centering around VOIP/ip video), and was basically told I didn't know what I was talking about even when I showed documentation. So if QOS/prioritization are going to be discussed, I'll go get my waders out again, 'cause it's gonna get deep. You know you are not allowed to speak out against the bandwidth hogs or you will be attacked. It is against populist mob rule to demand people not get unlimited everything for free. Here's a virtual quarter. Call someone who cares. |
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said by TKJunkMail :You know you are not allowed to speak out against the bandwidth hogs or you will be attacked. It is against populist mob rule to demand people not get unlimited everything for free. the bandwidth isn't free, it's paid for. and what was that word those big ISPs use in their advertisements... oh yeah, unlimited! |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by viperlmw :From the article: "Like most techs, Topolski doesn't oppose reasonable network management (booting high consumption users, some QOS and prioritization)" I got lambasted here by an ex-mod for suggesting that QOS has the potential to be useful (mostly centering around VOIP/ip video), and was basically told I didn't know what I was talking about even when I showed documentation. So if QOS/prioritization are going to be discussed, I'll go get my waders out again, 'cause it's gonna get deep. You know you are not allowed to speak out against the bandwidth hogs or you will be attacked. It is against populist mob rule to demand people not get unlimited everything for free. I'm sorry that i expect to get what i am being sold.
Other wise it's false advertising or a bait and switch.
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said by TKJunkMail :You know you are not allowed to speak out against the bandwidth hogs or you will be attacked. It is against populist mob rule to demand people not get unlimited everything for free. I went and searched for the discussion in question. The poster didn't get "lambasted" for speaking "out against bandwidth hogs" or against "populist mob rule"... The discussion in question was about the technical nitty gritty of QoS and its effects on traffic and the poster didn't understand QoS enough to debate the person he/she was talking to in the thread.
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filizaragoza
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IF they Advertise 10MB/2MB Connection for $$.$$ of money a month, and you pay the such amount,
I have the right or use such connection at full speed for 1 a month or period the payment covers.....
The problem is they oversubscribe a NODE, what that means
is a node has like 300/50 MB ;
They sell 100 People the 10/2, They are required to have 1000/100 Bandwidth provision, yet they don,t, they just provide 300/50.
IT's like a plane that has 87 Seats, and the airline sells 95 arguing that some people have a tendency to miss planes,
So as long as these people miss the plane the airlines double sells 8 seats, but what happens when every body arrives in time to board the plane? do you split you're sell in 3? so at least part of you gets on the plane!
That's Whats happening here, The Cable is Charging for a Service that is not fulfilling 100%, as it lacks capacity,
SOLUTION Sell only what you have.
Want to sell more, Upgrade,
COMCAST Solution: Reset Connections, Lobby, And not give people gat they pay for.
and the people that use the connection at over 50% Call them Bandwidth hogs.,
If you pay for Cellular, and your plan has 1000 Minutes any time... YOU HAVE THE RIGHT To use 1000 MINUTES, if you use over 800 the Cell Company says you're a HOG... will you like that?
IF anything it's at least deceptive marketing, or fraud.. by Cable. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by filizaragoza :That's Whats happening here, The Cable is Charging for a Service that is not fulfilling 100%, as it lacks capacity, SOLUTION Sell only what you have. Want to sell more, Upgrade, If you get what you are demanding, then instead of $43/mo or $53/mo, expect to pay $150/mo. Overbooking, as you call it, is why the costs are what they are. Change that method and you will need to pay much more. There is no free lunch.
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| Overbooking is fine, but you have to manage that so that you are capable of keeping up with your obligations with some degree of certainty.
I've asked before if there's a standard for managing overbooking so that customers still get the bandwidth when they demand it, but it seems that there isn't or people don't know what it is.
For Comcast -- maybe for Cable MSOs as a category -- the wheels of management have left the track. Telcos have arranged their business differently. It's still shared bandwidth, but there are more people in a much bigger pool and they seem able to hit their targets much more often than Cable can.
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Filiberto
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Yet when you use the services as it's advertice you ar call a bandwidth HOG |
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