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Squidii

join:2004-06-30
Little Rock, AR

reply to Endymion_
Re: Got ISDN covered--IDSL?

said by Endymion_ See Profile :

Okay I have been googling around for a while now but not found anything in the way of satisfactory information on IDSL.

I've recently set up a new ISDN line at my mother's place and it's working well, but through this I had been wondering if IDSL were the way to go instead. I had already asked AT&T (no longer Bellsouth) about IDSL and the person who took my ISDN order had never heard of it before. So I went ahead and ordered ISDN instead.

I understand that IDSL is a tad faster, and that it uses both B-Channels as well as the D-Channel to accomplish this. That means no telephone use over the same line, however, the always-on, no-dial nature of IDSL is still appealing to me. Now that I actually have an ISDN line to my location, can I now get IDSL? How can I go about doing this if so? As I am guessing, AT&T will be of no help--I was actually speaking to an ISDN worker who mentioned he had never heard of IDSL by the way, just an fyi as I already know that the rest of AT&T does not seem to know that ISDN even exists. What kind of cost difference would I be looking at for ISDN? Would the cost of the line and the ISP access be split, or from the same entity? It is a little confusing and as I can't find anyone to even ask about giving me this service I'm more than clueless. Thanks for any info.
One of the little independent phone companies ( cyber.. something ) supposedly offered IDSL out of my CO, so I called and asked. He explained I was to far away for it. To which I said, but, I have ISDN, I'm pretty sure that is the requirement, then he said, "Oh, no, IDSL works differently it uses high frequencies and you have to have filters..".

So, good luck. I've yet to find anyone who knew what I was talking about.

wierdo

join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP

said by Squidii See Profile :

One of the little independent phone companies ( cyber.. something ) supposedly offered IDSL out of my CO, so I called and asked. He explained I was to far away for it. To which I said, but, I have ISDN, I'm pretty sure that is the requirement, then he said, "Oh, no, IDSL works differently it uses high frequencies and you have to have filters..".

So, good luck. I've yet to find anyone who knew what I was talking about.
It does work differently. It can't be provisioned through a SLC like regular ISDN, and IIRC it can't use ISDN repeaters. It's better than ADSL because it's good out to at least 18kft, often much farther.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word.


ATTek
Got Sand?
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Pinon Hills, CA

said by wierdo See Profile :

said by Squidii See Profile :

One of the little independent phone companies ( cyber.. something ) supposedly offered IDSL out of my CO, so I called and asked. He explained I was to far away for it. To which I said, but, I have ISDN, I'm pretty sure that is the requirement, then he said, "Oh, no, IDSL works differently it uses high frequencies and you have to have filters..".

So, good luck. I've yet to find anyone who knew what I was talking about.
It does work differently.
Not really
It can't be provisioned through a SLC like regular ISDN,
Yes it can
and IIRC it can't use ISDN repeaters.
Yes it can

It's better than ADSL because it's good out to at least 18kft, often much farther.
Much further...because it can run through the same equipment as ISDN. In the west we (Bell) never installed these for end users. Covad normally leases these from us and resells them. As far as the Telco is concerned, it's an ISDN that doesn't terminate on our office equipment.
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wierdo

join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP

said by ATTek See Profile :

said by wierdo See Profile :

said by Squidii See Profile :

One of the little independent phone companies ( cyber.. something ) supposedly offered IDSL out of my CO, so I called and asked. He explained I was to far away for it. To which I said, but, I have ISDN, I'm pretty sure that is the requirement, then he said, "Oh, no, IDSL works differently it uses high frequencies and you have to have filters..".

So, good luck. I've yet to find anyone who knew what I was talking about.
It does work differently.
Not really
It can't be provisioned through a SLC like regular ISDN,
Yes it can
and IIRC it can't use ISDN repeaters.
Yes it can

It's better than ADSL because it's good out to at least 18kft, often much farther.
Much further...because it can run through the same equipment as ISDN. In the west we (Bell) never installed these for end users. Covad normally leases these from us and resells them. As far as the Telco is concerned, it's an ISDN that doesn't terminate on our office equipment.
Perhaps SWB was just being rude. Or maybe it requires different cards that they didn't stock. Or possibly they were claiming not to be capable of running IDSL through a SLC just because they didn't want to burn 3 channels on the backhaul for the UNE price.

Either way, SWB claimed to be unable to provision IDSL through a SLC.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word.


Splitpair
Premium
join:2000-07-29
Cow Towne
·T-Mobile US

reply to wierdo
said by wierdo See Profile :

It does work differently.
Nope they both use the same 2B1Q line coding.

It can't be provisioned through a SLC like regular ISDN
Since it is the same transport and uses the same plug-ins as ISDN it can served out of a SLC system with some restrictions on channel bonding and integrated SLC.

and IIRC it can't use ISDN repeaters. It's better than ADSL because it's good out to at least 18kft, often much farther.

ISDN/IDSL is good out to 18Kf with unloaded 26 gauge and about 25Kf with unloaded 24/22 gauge. That range can be extended by another half by installing a mid-span U repeater or can be run out to I think 25Kf on 26ga using the Adtran Total Reach ISDN cards.

Wayne
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If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.

robbin
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
I'm curious about this. Let's say that I am 35,000 feet from the CO but there is no DSL provider there who will provision ISDL. However another 35,000 feet of so to the second or third CO away there is a provider. Can I get ISDL?


Shadow01
Premium
join:2003-10-24
Wasteland
·AT&T Midwest

said by robbin See Profile :

I'm curious about this. Let's say that I am 35,000 feet from the CO but there is no DSL provider there who will provision ISDL. However another 35,000 feet of so to the second or third CO away there is a provider. Can I get ISDL?
No
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