oh LOOK
@videotron.ca |  CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
»CAIPS new Filing: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim |
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | Debunks is in the wrong context. The word should be more along the lines of Falsifies. |
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DKS
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Well, the analogy to snail mail is a bad one. They claim DPI is like opening mail and deciding when it will be delivered.
Wrong.
Like mail, users pay for a certain level of service. Some pay more and some pay less. But all mail, no matter where it does, has to have the address read and, in many cases, the contents label, to determine method of delivery (Registered vs Expresspost). That's all that's happening.
The Post Office also prioritizes mail in heavy times such as Christmas. First Class gets priority as do user pay guaranteed delivery services such as Priority Post. Regular packages wait.
Bad analogy. Muddy thinking.
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get a clue
@videotron.ca | u think people don't pay enough DKS?
Thats what you are saying.
Is that 50$ per month just for a the exec's to go to mexico in the winter? |
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DKS
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tekkno
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»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···aip.html
Bell's internet throttling is like reading people's mail, ISPs say
Bell Canada Inc.'s slowing of internet speeds is the equivalent of the post office opening people's mail and deciding when they should get their letters, a group of small service providers have said in their final volley at the company.
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Bell has villainized P2P, CAIP says
Bell has also unfairly characterized P2P as a tool of bandwidth abusers and copyright violators, CAIP said, when in fact BitTorrent has been endorsed as a legitimate application by many Hollywood studios as well as educational and government institutions. P2P has been targeted by Bell because it is a "politically easy target" through this reputation. |
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said by DKS  :Well, the analogy to snail mail is a bad one. They claim DPI is like opening mail and deciding when it will be delivered. Wrong. Bad analogy. Muddy thinking. And there lies the issue. The real issue is not about post offices, over subscriptions, congested nodes or service management.
The real issue is about something a lot more basic:
Bell Networks was contracted, and paid to supply transfer data packet(s) from point A to point B. Nothing more. Not to look and delay, not to reroute, not to *inspect* and not to drop them en-route as per the appropriate schedules.
Now Bell can squirm and protest all it wants, but unless that schedule change then is it against regulations for it to do more.
Notice that there is no mention of Internet or TCP/IP in the above.
modified above - did not like supply as it is really moving the packets |
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well well
@videotron.ca | the one and only true reason is Bell wants to monetise its internal B/W like it or not, even if your internet fee's already pasys for it.
TAX on TAX |
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DKS
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said by mazhurg :The real issue is about something a lot more basic: Bell Networks was contracted, and paid to supply transfer data packet(s) from point A to point B. Nothing more. Not to look and delay, not to reroute, not to *inspect* and not to drop them en-route as per the appropriate schedules. Now Bell can squirm and protest all it wants, but unless that schedule change then is it against regulations for it to do more. Bell also has the right to take measures to protect its network when traffic loads overwhelm it. Which is the point of the discussion. Bell says it is and it has the right and the CAIP says it isn't and it doesn't. And the lawyers win.
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chuckless
@videotron.ca | DKS seems to still believe in the 5% bullsh|t which even bell has abandond.
[giggles] |
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mazhurg
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said by DKS :said by mazhurg :The real issue is about something a lot more basic: Bell Networks was contracted, and paid to supply transfer data packet(s) from point A to point B. Nothing more. Not to look and delay, not to reroute, not to *inspect* and not to drop them en-route as per the appropriate schedules. Now Bell can squirm and protest all it wants, but unless that schedule change then is it against regulations for it to do more. Bell also has the right to take measures to protect its network when traffic loads overwhelm it. Which is the point of the discussion. Bell says it is and it has the right and the CAIP says it isn't and it doesn't. And the lawyers win. Oh please . Yes they can, in a transient and effective manner while they fix the cause of the problem. The transient solution appears pretty permanent; there does not seem to be any move toward fixing the alleged load (usually by ahem... upgrading???) other than to deny sold services.
Anyway, I said my piece. |
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said by chuckless :
DKS seems to still believe in the 5% bullsh|t which even bell has abandond.
[giggles]
No, I just don't accept the 99% BS being spouted by the CAIP and their fellow travellers and the downloading pirates hogging the bandwidth I pay for. Net Neutrality? My ass. Nothing but a bunch of spoiled little GenX'ers who think everything is free.
Guess what? It's not. Now go peddle your story elsewhere. This is a contractual problem. it belongs in the courts.
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CanadianIron
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Beverly Hills, CA | I don't understand how someone can be a bandwidth hog if their usage is capped at 60GB and they pay for overuse. |
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j3richo
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Gatineau, QC | reply to oh LOOK
as usual, DKS is first in line to shill for the telcos and spout complete nonsense. Newsflash! your idiotic ramblings have been thoroughly debunked, nobody is hogging your bandwidth, I'm using *MY* own bandwidth that *I* payed for. |
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DKS
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| said by j3richo :as usual, DKS is first in line to shill for the telcos and spout complete nonsense. Newsflash! your idiotic ramblings have been thoroughly debunked, nobody is hogging your bandwidth, I'm using *MY* own bandwidth that *I* payed for. As am I. 5 megs down and no cap. And no one has refuted anything I have said. They just change the frame of reference, which is an old, old way of avoiding the facts.
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DKS
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said by mazhurg :Oh please . Yes they can, in a transient and effective manner while they fix the cause of the problem. The transient solution appears pretty permanent; there does not seem to be any move toward fixing the alleged load (usually by ahem... upgrading???) other than to deny sold services. Anyway, I said my piece. I note several new remotes in my community. DSL coverage areas have been expanded out of this CO in the last year. Upgrading is happening. It's just not happening fast enough for the bandwidth hogs and thieves.
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TI POIL
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Toronto, ON | reply to oh LOOK
DKS have you ever notice a change in your connection before and after all that throttling happen????? Does your google page load faster now? I know your answer NO you are just being brainwashed. It's all lies and bullshit. |
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lol at dks
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ah now its the thieves.
anyone using their B/W they pay for are thieves.
The way you keep spewing nonsense, BS, and lies makes me wonder if you wrote bibbics 5% claim.
laff |
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koreyb
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DKS,
If you cared to go over the data Bell submitted, their network is FAR from congested. And should said network get congested, how about investing back into their network. More and MORE applications use more bandwidth and they will have to upgrade anyhow at some point.
Bell has a right if they choose to throttle their own service.. But in my view, if they are the only guy offering end user connections, they should not be able to have their own retail internet services as it puts them in a situation like we have here.
Sell the end user network to a 3rd party OR sell Sympatico.
It's the only way to end favoritism.
BTW I'm not some pirate you go on about.... I pay for my music and software yet still get throttled when I use PAID FOR NAPSTER and VoIP services. |
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j3richo
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said by DKS :said by j3richo :as usual, DKS is first in line to shill for the telcos and spout complete nonsense. Newsflash! your idiotic ramblings have been thoroughly debunked, nobody is hogging your bandwidth, I'm using *MY* own bandwidth that *I* payed for. As am I. 5 megs down and no cap. And no one has refuted anything I have said. They just change the frame of reference, which is an old, old way of avoiding the facts. lol, you didn't make any claims that need to be refuted, you just called us "spoiled GenX'ers...and downloading pirates hogging the bandwidth you pay for". This isn't an argument, it's just resorting to name calling since repeating Bell's claims will just get you laughed at. |
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