drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada
 ·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to marcbase
Re: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
English is easy, you'll get the hang of it, but you can use french, at least with me. I know a few others in here are fluent in french as well.
I don't want to see the list. I want to see the corroboration that (part of) the list was PROVIDED by bell.
So, don't assume that if the spammer has his spam emails lists organized by source that the source is wilfully collaborating.
There's a million ways to harvest e-mails, and those "send this e-mail to all of your friends, including me, what do you have to lose" messages are one of the very efficient ways to do that. I don't know how many times I've told a member of my family of a coworker to use the BCC!
As for your line getting 2mbps, if you are paying for a 7mbps, why don't you get downgraded to a 3mbps "package". Why pay more?
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5 | reply to Deadpool
I would agree with you but my email was there as well as my father's email... |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to marcbase
It's called a 'Nigerian 419 Scam'.
Chances are very good the vast majority of those email addresses don't even exist.
Simply ignore the email.
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5
1 edit | reply to mordin
I deleted it but it goes along the lines of
Mr **** just died recently, and he has no legitimate heir, therefore Mr **** wants to share his fortune with couple of lucky guys like you. Mr ****'s fortune extend to 1.76 billions, please provide us with your address and postal code so we can send you your part.
My email start with an M and more then 50 people with a M as a starting letter were on the email list and no1 else, therefor, it was a spam
And no i cant share the list, for security reasons for the customers with the addresses and because hacking is kinda illegal
Some of the email providers, Youtube, Facebook, Bell Canada, Rogers, porn websites(there are so many...), Hotmail, many online webstie games, and many more. |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to marcbase
said by marcbase  :in their list of email, they have a list of providers and bell is one of them Well no shit. Still doesn't prove that Bell 'sold' their list to scammers in Nigeria.  Providers offer their customers email addresses and they need email addresses to send out their scam. If you did hack them they you should know they target as many email addresses they can in hopes to find a sucker. Even if that means they have to make up a bunch of email addresses and hope some are good. Have you ever gotten an email that showed a series of email addresses all similar to yours?
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5
| reply to DKS
Proofs? you live in the middle of nowhere but in the actuals cities, bell has sold phone numbers and even emails(i know that because i hacked in of the email spammers on internet, the one that says some1 has died and they have shitload of money and they want to share it with you, i dont know if you ever had that one) well briefly, in their list of email, they have a list of providers and bell is one of them |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
| reply to drjp81
... but if we are in a buyer beware state... I'm outta here, there's gonna be stripes in stars waving here soon and I didn't sign up for that sh*t.
Ah, hate to tell ya but it's been a "buyer beware state" ever since first US company moved into Canada. Not that I hate the States, the PPL are great. It's their predatory corporations that suck.
I propose to move 'em all back where they came from, ALL OF THEM. Maybe we can ship US managers working for Bell back to US of A too.
Good news: if you look and learn from »www.thinkfree.ca/ you can get your life back. 
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to mordin
said by mordin :They can write it or word it in any language they want. The consumer (funny how that work is made up of con & sumer) has the responsibility to know what they are signing. If they don't then it's up to them to find out before they sign, Interesting, I belive the concept you are evoking here is something like "Caveat emptor" or buyer beware.
This is why Canadians chose to have a semi-socialist state. So that businesses who are able to hire lawyers to write 7 page contracts that basically say: We can do anything we want, this contract is only binds you to waht we say, but if we want you're screwed.
Now I'm no politician and no lawyer, but I think I was taught we are socialists which makes us better than pure capitalists, but if we are in a buyer beware state... I'm outta here, there's gonna be stripes in stars waving here soon and I didn't sign up for that sh*t.
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
1 edit | reply to sbrook
Yes, you're right sbrook, the charter came into being in order to fix many damaging or hurtful laws and to protect the each person or group, mainly against tyranny of Old England and squabbles between the English and French, and much more.
I don't believe in "universal application of the charter", but I do believe it's here to protect any and all Canadians against tyranny from whatever sources. In this case Bell and it's practices.
CIPPIC can use the Charter as well as many other options available.
Each person can use the charter, and billing Bell for losses, and applicable laws, and any resources at their disposal.
What's really stupid is that PPL don't use their rights and laws to protect themselves against likes of Bell and Rogers. Canada gives us all these neat tools to put Bell and rest of tyrants on tight short leash and PPL are not using them.
The second thing is when some PPL get on here or any forum and spread lies while they are part of said corporations. Now THAT should be outlawed.
What I would like to see is Bell [since they are in a public service business] produce actual records of their claims. If not then employees should give everyone such info freely.
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
1 edit | reply to AllenQC
I've only done one job for a lawyer and I know you're not it!
And I can handle my own conversations THANK YOU.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Nice try but total BS. No, not all Canadian laws are derived from the charter. Most Canadian law predates the charter. Thank you for playing. Indeed,
quote:
any Banister
I shall refrain from the obvious pun.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to AllenQC
Nice try but total BS.
No, not all Canadian laws are derived from the charter. Most Canadian law predates the charter.
Thank you for playing. |
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AllenQC
@bell.ca
|  reply to sbrook
In plain English. If there was no charter there would not be any such laws. All Canadian laws are derived from our Charter.
You may contact and double check with any Banister, Lawyer, Paralegal, Member of Parliament, Human Rights Group or Supreme Court of Canada. Or you may check the History of Canadian Freedoms in any library. Your comments do fall under the Charter with all implications.
Unequivocally "tudmax" is correct.
I, as some of my colleagues, are refreshed to see a discussion of our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Allen QC
P.S. I do not say the following lightly. To my knowledge, everything (in general) "tudmax" has stated in these pages (dslreports.com) is true. This includes any and all past situations. We have checked them throughly as he's the one who setup our computers and security. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to mlerner
Hmmm ... things must be improving! |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :True, but it sure would help if there were "Simple English" summaries. Reading a 7 page Mobility contract in the shop while you're trying to buy a cell phone is a little much to expect. Interesting I went to a Rogers store last week to sign up and I was not presented with a 400 page contract, I was only given a one page summary of what I signed up for and the cancellation fees. It was very straightforward and the rep went through all of it with me. The rep also gave me her card and told me to call if I had any questions. This is what level of service Bell should be providing! In the end, Rogers ends up doing it right and Bell still plays the complicated card.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :True, but it sure would help if there were "Simple English" summaries. Reading a 7 page Mobility contract in the shop while you're trying to buy a cell phone is a little much to expect. I just had a look at the contract I signed with BM in April. 3 pages are in clear, simple English with my responsibilities bolded and in large type. Four pages were smaller and basically a restatement of the previous three.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to mordin
Many countries have implemented consumer protection laws to help ensure that consumers are given readable contracts, with the most salient points in totally plain language. Things hidden in fine print are generally considered to be unfair contract terms.
No level of Canadian government has taken the matter of consumer protection seriously. |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
Premium
join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to root9
said by root9 :Not altogether so. Are you telling me and everyone that out of 2 + million PPL that have Bell accounts everyone understands Bell contracts? I am sure most of the customers have never read the agreement nor understand it. That's not the point.
said by root9 :I await translation into language I can understand.  They can write it or word it in any language they want. The consumer (funny how that work is made up of con & sumer) has the responsibility to know what they are signing. If they don't then it's up to them to find out before they sign,
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to Deadpool
True, but it sure would help if there were "Simple English" summaries. Reading a 7 page Mobility contract in the shop while you're trying to buy a cell phone is a little much to expect.
For example ...
quote:
1) YOU are being sold a phone at a $200 discounted price in exchange for a long term service committment from you.
2) YOUR committment is 36 months on this plan or a plan of equivalent cost.
3) If YOU chose to terminate this plan early, you will probably be subject to significant early termination fees.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to root9
Understanding aside, I think at least reading their multiple agreements from any company would be a good start for many consumers.
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