Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| reply to DKS
Re: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
There's no such thing as bandwidth hog. It's made up just like most of Bell's data on congestion is. People pay for a service offering that includes unlimited bandwidth at a fixed speed. No service is unlimited. There's a speed limit on your transfers, so even downloading at full capacity 24/7 for the entire month will only get you so many gigs. Your personal bandwidth is never tred upon by pirates or otherwise, and if you think differently, then you should take you concerns up with Bell for oversubscribing your CO/DSLAM.
As for CAIP vs Bell, Bell is the common carrier whose obligation under GAS is to transport a PPPoE packet from a residence/business to the connection point of the third party ISP at the speed alloted for under GAS. That doesn't require Bell to look any further past the PPPoE packet header to get the job done. The payload of the packet is private communications between the subscriber and the ISP. The mail analogy CAIP used is more accurate the the BS Bell tried to get away with. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
 ·Bell Sympatico
| said by Radar73  :There's no such thing as bandwidth hog. It's made up just like most of Bell's data on congestion is. People pay for a service offering that includes unlimited bandwidth at a fixed speed. No service is unlimited. There's a speed limit on your transfers, so even downloading at full capacity 24/7 for the entire month will only get you so many gigs. Your personal bandwidth is never tred upon by pirates or otherwise, and if you think differently, then you should take you concerns up with Bell for oversubscribing your CO/DSLAM. My CO isn't oversold and my connection isn't throttled. I have zero complaints with Bell. Your point?
As for CAIP vs Bell, Bell is the common carrier whose obligation under GAS is to transport a PPPoE packet from a residence/business to the connection point of the third party ISP at the speed alloted for under GAS. That doesn't require Bell to look any further past the PPPoE packet header to get the job done. The payload of the packet is private communications between the subscriber and the ISP. The mail analogy CAIP used is more accurate the the BS Bell tried to get away with.
Your forget that Bell has the contractual ability to manage their network. You don't like the way they are managing it. Tough. The contract is between Bell and their clients. Let them and their lawyers fight it out.
One thing I will give CAIP credit for is good public relations and mobilizing the public. Mind you, it is manipulative in their favour, but it's a good, effective strategy. Now how about mobilizing people around an issue that REALLY matters? Like war, illiteracy, bad water on First Nations reserves or something significant? This ain't.
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| said by DKS :My CO isn't oversold and my connection isn't throttled. I have zero complaints with Bell. Your point? I'm glad you have no complaints. I was just pointing out how your complaint about bandwidth hogs stealing your bandwidth doesn't make much sense (and sort of is a complaint).
said by DKS :Your forget that Bell has the contractual ability to manage their network. You don't like the way they are managing it. Tough. The contract is between Bell and their clients. Let them and their lawyers fight it out. We will find out in September if Bell's form of network management of GAS is part of their contractual abilty. I'm pretty sure I didn't read anything about purposeful degredation of regulated speeds of GAS as part of the Tarriff, but we shall see what the CRTC thinks. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Radar73 :said by DKS :My CO isn't oversold and my connection isn't throttled. I have zero complaints with Bell. Your point? I'm glad you have no complaints. I was just pointing out how your complaint about bandwidth hogs stealing your bandwidth doesn't make much sense (and sort of is a complaint). How so? Individually, it doesn't affect me. But in the bigger picture? yes.
said by DKS :Your forget that Bell has the contractual ability to manage their network. You don't like the way they are managing it. Tough. The contract is between Bell and their clients. Let them and their lawyers fight it out. We will find out in September if Bell's form of network management of GAS is part of their contractual abilty. I'm pretty sure I didn't read anything about purposeful degredation of regulated speeds of GAS as part of the Tarriff, but we shall see what the CRTC thinks.
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| said by DKS :How so? Individually, it doesn't affect me. But in the bigger picture? yes. Since Bell's congestion data is kind of loose and Bell's network capacity data shows it has enormous unused capacity on it's network, the so called bandwidth hogs aren't really a problem for anyone. In the bigger picture I'm more concerned with Bell telling me what content I can access from what application at what time of day. It should be none of Bell's business what I lawfully use my paid DSL connection for.
said by DKS :Who says it is "purposeful" (other than CAIP)? It's a form of network management, nothing more. Purposeful meaning intentional. CAIP has nothing to do with it. Bell decided unilaterally to slow P2P by 90% for 10 hours a day. That is a hefty speed reduction to the regulated speeds of GAS. Some people acutally use P2P for legit uses you know, some don't, but that's not in Bell's jurisdiction.
As for "network management" that Bell likes to hide it's unscrupulous behaviour under, I can't say it any better than this:
said by jfmezei :DPI is not a network management solution, it is a service management solution which defines what types of uses of internet are to be allowed and what parts are not allowed. This is not an "engineering" decision, it is a management decision. If congestion were a problem, Bell Canada would have delayed Sympatico 40% speed increases from 5 to 7mbps until the backbone was able to support it. That would have been an engineering solution to manage the network. The ADSL speed is the only variable that Bell can control under GAS tariffs. ISPs control how much AHSSPI capacity they purchase to support the type of uses their customers make at the speeds Bell as decided to supply on the ADSL loops. Management at the application level is not network management, it is service management. |
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