jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to moon1234
Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D
Well they do have a 15/15 tier that is unlimited. However, the rest have caps, which I think serves as a huge deterrent. We offer fast speeds, but are no different than the local ISP. That doesn't work well for marketing. |
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moon1234
@tds.net
| I will take my 16/2 without any caps from my cable company (Charter) any day. At least I don't have to worry about being cutoff/speed limited or charged through the nose for overages. High speeds with caps are no better than having a slow connection.
All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. It also stifles the uptick in new emerging technologies. Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.
Look at how much word of mouth Sprint used to get when their mobile broadband was unlimited. Many mobile applications and innovation were tested and used on Sprint's network first. Now that they have imposed a 5GB cap all of the praise and enthusiasm that I used to hear for Sprint in developer forums is gone.
CAPS are BAD for consumers and emerging technology. There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS. |
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ptrowski
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Putnam, CT
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| said by moon1234 :
I will take my 16/2 without any caps from my cable company (Charter) any day. At least I don't have to worry about being cutoff/speed limited or charged through the nose for overages. High speeds with caps are no better than having a slow connection.
All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. It also stifles the uptick in new emerging technologies. Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.
Look at how much word of mouth Sprint used to get when their mobile broadband was unlimited. Many mobile applications and innovation were tested and used on Sprint's network first. Now that they have imposed a 5GB cap all of the praise and enthusiasm that I used to hear for Sprint in developer forums is gone.
CAPS are BAD for consumers and emerging technology. There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS.
Good luck with that. Eventually all ISP's will be headed that way.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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said by moon1234 :
All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. Only one of the four ISPs listed on Utopia's site provides TV service so I don't see that as a reason for capping. They all sell voice service, but even using VoIP non-stop for the whole month only hits ~40 GB, so I still don't see the cap as an issue.said by moon1234 :
Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies. You can VTC with Mom and Dad 5 hours/day, everyday at 768 Kbps and only consume ~50 GB, so still no issue.said by moon1234 :
There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS. ISPs can charge more, but I doubt that you'd like that option very much. If the 100 GB cap is so detrimental for the everyday users, they can always upgrade to a 50/50 Mbps tier with a 500 GB cap. Even power users would have a hard time realistically consuming 500 GB/mth. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq | 500 GB/month? hhahahahahaa... I do that every 2 days. (up and down) on a 30/15 connection. |
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JesseHarris
@qqest.com
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If you think your cable company is without caps, you're kidding yourself. Remember how Comcast was terminating accounts left and right for using "too much" of their unlimited Internet access without saying how much was too much? That's a cap. At least companies like XMission are telling you upfront that there's a cap and what it is.
You'd also be surprised how much traffic doesn't count towards the cap. Because of the peering agreements they have in place, downloads from many sites (Microsoft is one) don't ding your monthly transfer.
As much as we all hate it, all-you-can-eat Internet is dying off as fiscal realities take foot. Some companies are going about it stupidly (Time Warner with 40GB), some are more realistic (XMission at 500GB). Unless you're saying that it's fair to raise prices across the board so that light users subsidize heavy users? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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I expected someone like you to post bragging about passing terabytes per month. That's why I used the word realistic. What do you do with your ~3.75 TBs (assuming equal upload/download) of downloaded content? Even assuming that you download uncompressed BD movies, you'd have to watch over five full movies every day of the month to come close to consuming what you're bragging about. What am I missing? |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Actually I do like 40 GB a day on my 15 GB connection as I use non compressed VPN with my pc all the time. Plus I'm downloading lot's of anime daily.
500 GB is not worth it for 50mbps, i'd stick with the 15 mbps unlimited which is a better deal. |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
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said by openbox9  :I expected someone like you to post bragging about passing terabytes per month. That's why I used the word realistic. What do you do with your ~3.75 TBs (assuming equal upload/download) of downloaded content? Even assuming that you download uncompressed BD movies, you'd have to watch over five full movies every day of the month to come close to consuming what you're bragging about. What am I missing? He keeps his palms hairy, his music free, and his movies in shitty hand held video camera quality.
In other words, he lives in his Mom's basement and doesn't have a girlfriend.  |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| Actually, I'm a senior manager, have a kickass system, with many many terrabytes of storage, a music collection second to none, more movies and tv shows than I could ever watch. I have my own house, 2 cars and a motorcycle (kawasaki Vulcan 900). I DON'T wear a helmet (don't have to), did fill out organ donor card. I'm moderately successful with a nice 6 figure salary.
Look at it this way, I 'could' afford to pay for everything I have. Instead, I keep my money, and get all my stuff for free. I do donate a lot to charity, but never, ever to the cult of religion.
As in the words of the might right wing republican nut case, 'Greed is Good'. Guess that means I'm very good, because I'm very very greedy.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to pspcrazy
You seriously think a 50 Mbps connection capped at 500 GB isn't worth $60/mth? I do agree that the 15 Mbps tier is a better deal, but then it costs less too  |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to karlmarx
My question still stands, if you have "more movies and tv shows than you could ever watch", what do you download? And why? Bragging rights? To screw the man? I'm truly trying to understand your hypocritical viewpoints. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Greed. Pure and simple. Greed. I don't NEED it, I WANT it.
"Greed denotes desire to acquire wealth or possessions beyond the needs of the individual"
And, as well all know, GREED is GOOD! Not hypocritical, just greedy.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | You are being hypocritical when you ridicule corporations for being greedy and attempting to extract wealth from consumers and then you turn around and do a similar thing yourself. |
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hobgoblin
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Orchard Park, NY
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| said by openbox9 :You are being hypocritical when you ridicule corporations for being greedy and attempting to extract wealth from consumers and then you turn around and do a similar thing yourself. Come on...he is just a very bad troll!
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to JesseHarris
Comcast has stopped using that "unlimited" advertisement. They show ads here on national tv all the time. They don't even offer service in Ohio. And no where on their ads do they say "unlimited". |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to hobgoblin
I'm just surprised he actually responded to me. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
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I never said it's not worth 60 a month haha, I just said I'd prefer the 15 MBPS deal as I don't have to worry about running over the limit. The point of getting faster speeds for me is to get more content over the span of a month, if I can't do that i'd rather not have it. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Valid for some. For me, I'd pay for the time savings that extra throughput gives me. However, I'd choose the lower cost service because I value my money. |
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