Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
|  Powerboost is the lamest gimmick ever.
Where do all you guys plan on downloading at 3.8 MB/sec anyway?
I am rarely able to get my 15 Mbps rated speed outside of Usenet or extremely well seeded torrents. Occasionally, companies like Microsoft have fast enough servers.
Is there a way to get around this speed test cheater? |
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Reinvent3d
join:2004-12-06
Camarillo, CA
1 edit | You DO know that you are limited on websites due to THEIR OWN upload right? Not every single host can upload at 15 Mbps, and if they did, then they'd have to have a huge infrastructure just to support all those concurrent users.
That's why you get a typical 1 MB/sec or less from regular sites and what not. Lots of users to send information to.
The reason torrents and usenet does so well is because it's multiple peers. If there weren't multiple peers (ie, only 1), you'd be getting the same, if not significantly less than a standard website download.
So really, in standard applications, you can't really max it out unless you use peering of some sort to fully use it all. |
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Steve Mehs
Go Sabres
join:2005-07-16 | reply to Xizer
Geeze, people will complain about anything I guess...
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
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said by Reinvent3d  :You DO know that you are limited on websites due to THEIR OWN upload right? Not every single host can upload at 15 Mbps, and if they did, then they'd have to have a huge infrastructure just to support all those concurrent users. Exactly which is why a 30 Mbps little "powerboost" that lasts for 10 seconds is worthless when I can't even get my sustained 15 Mbps anyway.
It screws up speedtests which is incredibly annoying. |
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Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
 ·Comcast
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said by Steve Mehs :Geeze, people will complain about anything I guess... Lol you think that's bad, you should have seen how many people bitched in the Comcast forums when they got something for free!  |
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Dareius
Self proclaimed Premium member
join:2002-11-12
Elmhurst, NY | reply to Xizer
It's better than nothing at all. |
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Reinvent3d
join:2004-12-06
Camarillo, CA
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said by Xizer :said by Reinvent3d :You DO know that you are limited on websites due to THEIR OWN upload right? Not every single host can upload at 15 Mbps, and if they did, then they'd have to have a huge infrastructure just to support all those concurrent users. Exactly which is why a 30 Mbps little "powerboost" that lasts for 10 seconds is worthless when I can't even get my sustained 15 Mbps anyway. It screws up speedtests which is incredibly annoying. Even though it's using packet bursting to a degree, why are you running speedtests all the time? It's not cheating, nor is it useful to REALLY measure where your speeds should be at.
I think you missed the point of powerboost, which was to help download large files off the internet. You simply just aren't doing that with a speedtest. If the powerboost is useless, and you aren't getting your 15 Mbps sustained in normal operation for actual huge file downloads, then something is wrong on your end. It's not the bursts at all.
And heck, again...I will say it once more. Not every host is capable of uploading a full 15 Mbps to EACH and EVERY user that connects.
But if you are still arguing that it's worthless, then maybe you should switch to the standard tier or something. |
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Dareius
Self proclaimed Premium member
join:2002-11-12
Elmhurst, NY
| The problem is, a majority of forum patrons have become too attached to the speed tests as if the results from them are the final definitive of the customer's actual internet speed. People who cannot see outside the box for a minute will think Powerboost is a complete waste without looking at the bigger picture. |
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Rombus
Premium
join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH | @Dareius is quite correct!
What do you do most with your connect? Most likely web surfing.
Web surfing is just a bunch of short small file transfers, that should benefit greatly from power boost. |
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RoadRunner79
join:2008-01-19
San Antonio, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
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My echo in here is that I feel cheated that I'm in the PLG 15/2 and people with 10/1 packages are getting the same results as me. I feel ripped off but again their are alot of factors that will effect speeds but I should still be a ways apart from 10/1 users.
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by RoadRunner79 :My echo in here is that I feel cheated that I'm in the PLG 15/2 and people with 10/1 packages are getting the same results as me. I feel ripped off but again their are alot of factors that will effect speeds but I should still be a ways apart from 10/1 users. I 100% agree with you. I have Turbo here in NYC - and the only thing i have more is 200ish more upload.
I hope they'll throw us premium/turbo/extreme etc.. tier people a bone, when docsis 3.0 comes out hopefully  |
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Rombus
Premium
join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH | You guys do realize that the speed tests are JUST numbers?! Your overall speed will still be better with someone with a lower package, just not over the first X seconds of a download. |
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netgear
Restless Native
Premium
join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to RoadRunner79
For the most part, you're paying for upload bandwidth in that package. I've got the 10/1, because apparently they don't offer the higher rate package in our market. Looks like there's commensurate product separation between our packages. I wouldn't feel too bad.
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Here are my own thoughts on powerboost. If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates.
I'd expect that my provisioned speed should be the maximum speed I'd receive. If say a 6mbit tier gets powerboosted to 12mbit, then my speedtests will show me able to achieve 12mbit when in fact that's not at all would I'd get in the long term. PowerBoost provides a sense of false hope if you will, since you think that you have more speed than you do when you run a test.
Why not just upgrade everyone to the speeds you want Powerboost to reflect so it's permanent? I know if I'm uploading something and I have upload powerboost, I'll think great this will be done in no time, when in fact that's not the case. Just upgrade speeds, especially the upstream, rather than teasing us! Others can do it, why can't TWC? |
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salwit
join:2000-12-20
Brockport, NY
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netgear
Restless Native
Premium
join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to kd6cae
said by kd6cae :[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...] Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line.
A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download.
Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses.
Simple stuff. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner Cable
 ·Time Warner VOIP
| said by netgear :said by kd6cae :[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...] Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line. A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download. Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses. Simple stuff. Comcast permaboost worked on torrents
well in WA anyways |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
2 edits | reply to netgear
said by netgear :said by kd6cae :[...] If you're going to increase speed, make it permanent. Why have a powerboosted download that looks like it'll take just 3 minutes when in fact it's going to take 6 minutes or more for example once the speed drops backed to provisioned rates{?} [...] Because, by far the majority of people do not need continuous 25 Mbps download speeds. That is the bottom line. A "Powerboost" product allows VOD efficiency as well as the occasional large file download. Rightly so, a "Powerboost" product does not benefit leeches, freeloaders & cheapskates. Those customers, in the eyes of a growing number of ISPs, are reducing broadband performance for the masses. Simple stuff. "Leeches, freeloaders and cheapskates"? Are you referring to heavy bandwidth users? I use my connection every month and pay for it, thank you very much.
Also, major ISPs only pay 2 cents per gigabyte. Even if someone downloaded over 1,000 GB in a month, which is entirely reasonable, they would only be costing their ISP $20 that month. Chances are, if they're using that much bandwidth in a month, they're already paying their ISP three times that amount to subscribe to their services.
It is difficult, even for someone who is running their connection 24/7 using their full rated speed, to actually cost an ISP money in terms of bandwidth cost.
This whole "bandwidth shortage" is a manufactured famine. This is why nations which actually have proper infrastructure and ISPs that aren't focused solely on profiting as much as possible while providing as little value as possible like Norway, Sweden, Japan and South Korea have such impressive Internet connectivity. |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to netgear
Leeches, freeloaders and Cheapskates huh? I can't help but wonder which of those classes I fall in to, since I'm paying for TWC business class 15/2 service. I got this service, which will cost me $118.95 for the next 2 years, mainly for upload purposes, as I do off site file backup of large files. Many of these files are in fact mp3s, and large CD images among others. Is there something wrong with wanting to back these files up remotely, and wanting a decent internet connection to do it with, not some half baked power boosted solution? I'm hoping my type of connection won't get this power boost mess, that's just my thoughts on the whole thing. Either provide better speeds permanently or not at all. I'm happy with what I'm getting right now however, though I do pay plenty for this speed that others pay much less for, for example users on FIOS. |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs:
| "I'm hoping my type of connection won't get this power boost mess, that's just my thoughts on the whole thing."
You will be happy.
It won't.
Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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