globus999
join:2008-05-15
|  Moronic ISPs!
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I am furious!
I am fuming!
Bell?
NOPE!
For once, I am not pissed at Bell but at ALL (Tek excluding) ISPs!!!
What a bunch of WIMPS!!!
Bloody hell!!!
They are serving, what? 2.000.000 million, let me say this again, 2.000.000 MILLION people and will just roll-over and lick Bell's shoes? On demand?
Friggin WIMPS!!!
I simply can't believe the degree of stupidity and complacency!
GEEEZZZ... 60.000 people managed to change the stupid i-phone contract conditions from Rogers. Let me say this again, 60.000 people, MOST OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN ROGERS CUSTOMERS!!!
We have a potential 2 MILLION PLUS OUTRAGED *CUSTOMERS* and what do we get? oh... 1300 or so "comments" to the CRTC!!
PATHETIC, TRULY PATHETIC!!!
And WHY do you ask???
BECAUSE the WIMP ISPs are just sitting on their BUTTS and DO NOTHING!!
AN-FRIGGING-BELIEVABLE!!!
I simply can't believe ISPs wont fight.
It goes beyond me trying to understand what it is that they are thinking, or more importantly, NOT thinking!
LOOK YOU WIMPS!!!
YOU HAVE 2.000.000 POTENTIAL COMPLAINING PEOPLE at your disposal!!!
Just TALK to them.
Explain the issues!
Point them to the right politicians + administrators!
FACILITATE their complaints!!
GEEZZ!!
This is SO simple!!!
This is SO cheap!!!
This is SO doable!!!
WHY, then WHY we got ZERO action????!!!
Friggin WIMPS!!!
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Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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| Pretty sure CAIP consists of more then just Teksavvy. Theres A LOT of ISPs against bell, and standing up/fighting for their rights... Teksavvy is just in the spotlight because it has the most active users.
If you bother to read the forums...You'd see that at least Acanac is vocal about the fight also. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | said by Ikarasu  :Pretty sure CAIP consists of more then just Teksavvy. Theres A LOT of ISPs against bell, and standing up/fighting for their rights... Teksavvy is just in the spotlight because it has the most active users. If you bother to read the forums...You'd see that at least Acanac is vocal about the fight also. Daaaa.. really?
If you would bother READING the forums, you would realize that I was in it from the beginning.
The issue is not CAIP or NOT CAIP; the issue is TACTICS.
What has CAIP done so far?
A few CRTC submissions.. WOW big WOF!
A few rants in these forums... WOW big WOF!
An incipient "lobby" effort... WOW big WOF!
What has CAIP accomplished so far?
ZERO!!! ZILCH!!! NADA!!! NIENTE!!!
What have POTENTIAL customers of Roger's i-phone accoplished so far? ALMOST ALL that they wanted!!!
SEE the difference now??
PEOPLE POWER move MOUNTAINS!!
Private organization do BUPKUS!
So... in the spirit of positive critisizm, I am pointing out the obvious:
THE ONLY solution to this is: PEOPLE!
What is THE ONLY solution that ISPs are NOT doing: PEOPLE!
GEEEZZZZ!!!???
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | reply to Ikarasu
said by Ikarasu :Pretty sure CAIP consists of more then just Teksavvy. Theres A LOT of ISPs against bell, and standing up/fighting for their rights... Teksavvy is just in the spotlight because it has the most active users. If you bother to read the forums...You'd see that at least Acanac is vocal about the fight also. Oh...Oh...Oh... and I forgot. Tek AT LEAST tried to involved people with their Ottawa rally. Where was Acanac then? THAT'S why the ONLY ISP that I excluded from my rant was Tek. Because at least they TRIED! However ineffective their process was. But, they TRIED! Where were all the "others"???? Lemmeguess..... come to think about it... I don't even need to guess... |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
1 edit | reply to globus999
LOOK, it is NOT difficult. The "cheapo" version of this approach can be as simple as the one outlined below. From there, the sky is the limit.
1 - Price of setting-up a mailing list of customers: 100 $
2 - Do the research to find the right politicians + admins: 200$
3 - Get the ISP's lawyer to write a letter explaining the issues to the customers and pointing them to relevant e-mails, addresses and faxes: 200 $
4 - E-mail the letter to all customers: free.
5 - Shafting Bell: PRICELESS |
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anon4321
@bell.ca
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On the outside it looks like 60000 people made rogers change their data plans. If you think a bit deeper; Rogers had Apple breathing down their knecks because of the bad publicity the IPhone was getting in Canada over the data plans.
With throttling we've got no big company breathing down bells kneck. Only the spineless CRTC just sitting there tbh. Sure 100000 people could sign an online petition telling bell to stop throttling p2p but I highly doubt it would change anything.
As for the people on these forums telling CAIP/Teksavvy to lay out their own infrastructure. Where would the CAIP/Teksavvy get the billions of dollars to deploy a network to everyones homes? Unless the telecom market gets opened up to out of country companies we're screwed on that front. No bank is going to front the cash to do it.
If it was as easy as flicking a switch I'm sure CAIP/Teksavvy would remove the throttling in a heartbeat. |
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HiVolt
29
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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said by globus999 :What has CAIP done so far? A few CRTC submissions.. WOW big WOF! A few rants in these forums... WOW big WOF! An incipient "lobby" effort... WOW big WOF! What has CAIP accomplished so far? ZERO!!! ZILCH!!! NADA!!! NIENTE!!! Why don't you save your negativity after the CRTC ruling, should the CRTC rule in favour of Bell.
Bell was in position of power, so they forced these changes on the wholesale ISP's. ISP's can't do anything but fight Bell thru the legal channels. They have been doing that.
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Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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It seems to me you don't understand how things work. If you think Rogers caved because of a few thousand signatures... Why don't you start your own petition? Anyone on the Internet these days can get a few thousand signatures.
CRTC Submissions are whats going to decide whether it's legal for bell to throttle/impose new caps, if you think CRTC submissions are a big "WOF" then maybe it's time you get up, and do something about it yourself.
What you don't take into consideration is 75%(yes, a made up #) of people know nothing about ISPS, and could care less if theyre with Bell, Tekk, or some other ISP. As long as they can get their videos, music, whatever they want...theyre happy. They dont know the difference between 60 GB and 600 GB. With all the lies and spins bell puts on it, being able to do xx and xx, a simple mailing list to customers is not going to educate them on what Bell is doing.
CAIP has a lot of big names backing them, pointing out Bells flaws to CRTC, Aside from building their own network... it's pretty much the only financially suitable plan right now. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to anon4321
said by anon4321 :
On the outside it looks like 60000 people made rogers change their data plans. If you think a bit deeper; Rogers had Apple breathing down their knecks because of the bad publicity the IPhone was getting in Canada over the data plans. BINGO! and WHERE do you think all the BAD PUBLICITY came from? You guessed it: PEOPLE!
Thank you for making my point!
said by anon4321 :
With throttling we've got no big company breathing down bells kneck. Only the spineless CRTC just sitting there tbh. Sure 100000 people could sign an online petition telling bell to stop throttling p2p but I highly doubt it would change anything. That's why I DO NOT advocate to contact the CRTC ONLY. If you check my post you will notice that I said "policitians + admins". That means THE LOT. That means, rising a BIG STING!
said by anon4321 :
As for the people on these forums telling CAIP/Teksavvy to lay out their own infrastructure. Where would the CAIP/Teksavvy get the billions of dollars to deploy a network to everyones homes? Unless the telecom market gets opened up to out of country companies we're screwed on that front. No bank is going to front the cash to do it. And WHERE EXACTLY in my post did I advocate this solution??? On the contrary, I am in favour of MINIMIZING $$$ expnditures. Which is PRECISELY what my solution would do!
said by anon4321 :
If it was as easy as flicking a switch I'm sure CAIP/Teksavvy would remove the throttling in a heartbeat.
And WHO exactly is saying that it is easy??? BECAUSE I recognize that it is NOT easy, I am suggesting a solution that it IS effective and it IS easy: INVOLVE PEOPLE, LOTS and LOTS of PEOPLE.
What have ISPs done so far in this area?
BUPKUS! |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt :Why don't you save your negativity after the CRTC ruling, should the CRTC rule in favour of Bell. Because it IS a looser's strategy. Possesion is 9/10 of the law. In this case, a ruling is 9/10 of the law. Do you even KNOW what it would take to reverse a CRTC ruling? Nothing short of a judicial review!! And, as we all know and was acknowledged by Rocky, this is a NON-STARTER simply because it would cost a fortune. NOPE, the time to act is NOW, to force the CRTC to do the right thing! Waiting is suicidal!
said by HiVolt :Bell was in position of power, so they forced these changes on the wholesale ISP's. ISP's can't do anything but fight Bell thru the legal channels. They have been doing that. And WHO is advocating an ILLEGAL fight???? ISPs have the REQUIREMENT, let me say this again, the LEGAL REQUIREMENT to inform their customers of inpending changes to contractual agreements. They MUST inform to their customers that Bell is changing their contracts.
They have the RIGHT to petition to the government, just like you and me.
They have the RIGHT to let YOU know that Bell is changing your contract and provide you with the tools so that YOU can exercise your right to petition the government.
What have they done so far?
BUPKUS! |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to globus999
Oh... Oh...Oh... I forgot. This rant is NOT directed at throttling only. It is directed at the whole of Bell's "master plan" to crush the competition and dominate the world... well... may be not that far... yet...  |
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs: | Take a chill pill dude, your rant and bitching is not gonna do any good.
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| said by HiVolt :Take a chill pill dude, your rant and bitching is not gonna do any good. Sure... as opposed to ALL the other so-called "solutions" that NEITHER did any good.... OK... I see... more of the "traditional" Canadian approach at defending our rights... which seem to be for sell at the lowest (i.e more disgusting) corporate bidder... I see... |
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Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
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said by globus999 :said by Ikarasu :Pretty sure CAIP consists of more then just Teksavvy. Theres A LOT of ISPs against bell, and standing up/fighting for their rights... Teksavvy is just in the spotlight because it has the most active users. If you bother to read the forums...You'd see that at least Acanac is vocal about the fight also. Oh...Oh...Oh... and I forgot. Tek AT LEAST tried to involved people with their Ottawa rally. Where was Acanac then? THAT'S why the ONLY ISP that I excluded from my rant was Tek. Because at least they TRIED! However ineffective their process was. But, they TRIED! Where were all the "others"???? Lemmeguess..... come to think about it... I don't even need to guess... We were at the Ottawa rally. I even spent a few hours with Rocky that day. We have also spent a few thousand dollars on running neutrality adds here in Toronto. Acanac filed with CRTC in support of CAIP. Here is a direct link. »www.crtc.gc.ca/public/partvii/20···3489.pdf
I will also continue to work with every ISP that has a similar goal as us. |
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despe
@acanac.net | Don't feed the troll Paul. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to globus999
"1300 or so "comments"
There are many more than that.CRTC just isn't putting them up.It took 2.5 months before mine showed and my wifes has yet to show. |
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ShadPTR
join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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Your rant is misplaced, it's not the ISPs that should be faulted, its the majority of the Canadian public. They are mostly ill informed, believe it doesn't affect them, or just believes its going to fade away. They don't know what's at stake and fail to see the greater picture.
(I'm not referring to even users of BBR). |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
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said by andyb :"1300 or so "comments" There are many more than that.CRTC just isn't putting them up.It took 2.5 months before mine showed and my wifes has yet to show. Sure... OK... so instead of 1300 let's go nuts and say is double that! (mind you... insider's hinted at less but let's play the game).
So let's say that there are 3000 comments.
3000 Comments equal:
5% of Roger's requests
0.15% of all ISP customers
WOW!! Am I supposed to be impressed???
I think NOT! |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to ShadPTR
said by ShadPTR :Your rant is misplaced, it's not the ISPs that should be faulted, its the majority of the Canadian public. They are mostly ill informed, believe it doesn't affect them, or just believes its going to fade away. They don't know what's at stake and fail to see the greater picture. (I'm not referring to even users of BBR). Sure, and WHO EXACTLY is it going to tell them? CIPIC???
Like it or not this is a capitalist society. This means, greed rules. In this case, who are the most affected capitalists? ISPs! Who are supposed to be doing something to protect their capital? their profits? but are instead sitting on their butts and NOT telling the "people"? ISPs.
Who have a simple, dirt-cheap, effective, weapon of mass destruction for Bell but choose NOT to use it?
ISPs!!!
THIS is PRECIELY what drives me bonkers!
THIS is beyond capitalism, which I would understand. This is plain and simple suicidal!
Oh... Oh... Oh... and if I could set-up a mailing list with all ISP customers and mail them at least ONE e-mail. I would do so in a second. Problem is, I can't do this because:
1 - I don't have the list
2 - Getting the list is illegal since it is privacy-protected info.
This, on the other hand does NOT apply to ISPs!
I rest my case. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to Acanac Inc
said by Acanac Inc :said by globus999 :said by Ikarasu :Pretty sure CAIP consists of more then just Teksavvy. Theres A LOT of ISPs against bell, and standing up/fighting for their rights... Teksavvy is just in the spotlight because it has the most active users. If you bother to read the forums...You'd see that at least Acanac is vocal about the fight also. Oh...Oh...Oh... and I forgot. Tek AT LEAST tried to involved people with their Ottawa rally. Where was Acanac then? THAT'S why the ONLY ISP that I excluded from my rant was Tek. Because at least they TRIED! However ineffective their process was. But, they TRIED! Where were all the "others"???? Lemmeguess..... come to think about it... I don't even need to guess... We were at the Ottawa rally. I even spent a few hours with Rocky that day. We have also spent a few thousand dollars on running neutrality adds here in Toronto. Acanac filed with CRTC in support of CAIP. Here is a direct link. » www.crtc.gc.ca/public/partvii/20···3489.pdfI will also continue to work with every ISP that has a similar goal as us. Great to know... however....:
A few adds won't make a blinking difference. Point in case, they did NOT make any difference, customer-wise. Furthermore, the issue of this thread is NOT net neutrality but Bell shananingans!
So, you were with Rocky. Good for you. Now, to the point in case, you and HOW MAY of your CUSTOMERS where also there? More precisely, how many of your customers were there due to YOUR actions? This discussion is ALL about customers, you know?
Re: CRTC, OK, so you performed due dilligence. Good for you. However, again, it is NOT the point of this thread. The point is that ISPs REFUSE to involve their customers!! How EXACTLY did Acanac engage its customers by filing with the CRTC????
The point of this tread is how to WIN THE WAR, NOT spend moutains of $$$. It would seem that even you can't see this. How do I need to spell it more clearly???
LOOK:
Spending more $$$ in this problem: BAAAADDD!!!
Bein clever and involving your customers for almost free: GOOODDD!!
This clear enough? |
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