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Re: Cost of Worker Replacement Must Be Decreasing
The union will sell out future workers and past retirees in the new contract.
The deal will ultimately give current workers a raise and some protection from layoffs. New hires will get reduced pay and benefits and the retirees will be lucky to keep benefits at the same levels they have now, even though their costs(especially health care) continue to rise.
The company will keep hiring contractors as they reduce the size of the union workforce thru retirement and attrition(people who quit or are fired for cause).
Given the world economy, union power will continue to decline.
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1 edit | Verizon isn't competing in a "World Economy". What foreign competition does Verizon have?
Meanwhile as our gov't continues to sell us out to China and Mexico, US standard of living will decline. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by Dogfather  :Verizon isn't competing in a "World Economy". What foreign competition does Verizon have? The reality of a world economy and lower 3rd world pay scales reduces the costs of labor around the world - even for companies and their workers who don't do business outside the country. As worker pay scales sink in international competitive industries it reduces pay scales in all industries.
All Verizon has to do is say to the union: "we will replace all you union workers and where will you get equivalent pay in other industries." The union leadership knows their workers would take drastic pay cuts if they hit the street. And that is how even a company like Verizon can reduce wages - thru the threat of making their workers compete against foreign workers if they eliminate their jobs at Verizon and force them to find jobs in other industries(where only 15% of the workforce is unionized). And don't forget the threat of using contractors/outsourcing who use cheaper immigrant(legal & otherwise) labor flooding in to the U.S.
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4 edits | Verizon doesn't compete in a global economy and doesn't have to compete with anyone but other domestic suppliers. And they would only suffer pay cuts in the open market because of gov't failure to enforce employment law. Gov't always kisses the ass of big business and loves illegal labor.
Outsourced labor (like tech support) should also face 1000% tariffs. |
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Shamayim
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said by Dogfather :Meanwhile as our gov't continues to sell us out to China and Mexico, US standard of living will decline. Don't look now but China already owns us. The "For Sale" sign has already been taken down.
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Our union has yet to take pay cuts, will not sell out our retirees, or anything else you are fantasising about |
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said by Dogfather :Verizon doesn't compete in a global economy and doesn't have to compete with anyone but other domestic suppliers. And they would only suffer pay cuts in the open market because of gov't failure to enforce employment law. Gov't always kisses the ass of big business and loves illegal labor. Outsourced labor (like tech support) should also face 1000% tariffs. actually verizon does compete on a global market, for capital.
tariffs lol..yeah protectionism really works..  |
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Yeah, VZ union was like 80,000+ members now only 65,000.
My problem is NOT with the union employee that works at all. I have utter and complete disgust for the "union" itself. They, the CWA I know for sure, makes more than the employees do that are union members. A state rep who answers the phone makes $90,000 a year. Ever see a state rep or your union? I doubt it. They send your union reps to negotiate with the big "boss" in the room (he makes $200k or more for speeches and doing nothing).
Your two unions should have run ads in NYC and elsewhere giving people a full explanation of the things facing you and will eventually face them. Instead, they put out ads like "your call cannot be completed as dialed" so non-union people just found their "strike" a power play. Add in the lack of fixing things or installing things right and the public is like, "Hell, fire 'em!"
Unions have gone downhill because a lot of people don't trust them. They can negotiate a sucky contract then make you vote. The vote is secret at the local so no oversight. It barely passes. Of course, companies will give one type of craft a good deal and screw the other one--playing the union members against each other. Companies will also give Union Reps plum jobs to keep them happy while everyone else is getting screwed.
Unions also spend a lot of your money in politics backing the worst candidates possible. They backed Clinton and Clinton hit them with NAFTA. I'd say half the companies in the USA HATE NAFTA. Unions should really hate NAFTA.
VZ knows they need the techs so will give techs a good deal while screwing the office. I've read union contracts, before and after, and found that was the deal. Your office staff has tons of controls while techs have almost none in comparison. So, the office staff gets screwed by not meeting all those controls. In other words, the union is selling you out for the side that can get the contract passed. Screw the rest of them.
Your union is public information at unionfacts.org.
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