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Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D?
i just got my nikon d60! very nice and comfortable.. |
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tmpchaos
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kewlkeed
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Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D?
Bingo.
Best thing to do is get them in your hands and try them. If your camera shop isn't willing to put one in your hands and let you shoot, they aren't worth your time.
Every shop I've been to has been more than willing to hand me a unit with a card and batteries and let me shoot around the store (Even outside) to my heart's content. Only one was anal enough to say they wouldn't because "I looked too young to hand a serious piece of equipment" (This was Southgate mall in Edmonton for anyone who wants to blacklist a horrible shop, and that does include both of them in the mall, I was 22 at the time) |
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pog
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The fact is that most here have not had extensive hands-on experience with very many cameras. I'm an expert with my Pentax DS... but Canon 450D? Olympus E420? Not nearly an expert.
This means there's a whole lotta baseless conjecture and hyperbole. 
Then there's the whole issue of relevance that you bring up... even if all the conjecture and hyperbole is not far off the mark, it doesn't necessarily have any practical meaning to the individual asking the questions.
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pog
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said by ddevilduck  :i agree with you that the viewfinder is small. i have to smooosh my eye right in there to see what I want well. While it wasn't really my idea in the first place, I went ahead and made a chart of (calculated) actual viewfinder sizes here: »Comparing viewfinders
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pog
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said by turbonium :... One plus for the D40 is that the flash sync is at 1/500 compared to the 1/250 for most other Nikon like the D40x/60/80. Actually, this isn't all that helpful since the D40's lowest ISO is 200 whereas it's 100 for the D40x/60/80.
IOW, Nikon giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other.
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turbonium
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One thing that Nikon and Pentax have in most of their bodies that Canon doesn't is Auto ISO.
Auto ISO automatically ramps up the ISO as needed and lowers it when there's enough light. You never have to fiddle with ISO settings for the most part.
Hence, my choice was Nikon. Oh, and the Nikon SB400 flash was probably the other reason I went Nikon.
I shoot a D40 with a 18-200 VR lens. With the SB400, it's a great compact SLR package.
One plus for the D40 is that the flash sync is at 1/500 compared to the 1/250 for most other Nikon like the D40x/60/80.
Sssh. . .but there a guy named Ken who likes the D40 too. . . 
»www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recomme···eras.htm |
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said by Rubicon :D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start. I think you mean the 55-200mm VR.
Or a 18-200mm VR with the D60 |
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Rubicon
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D60 with the 18-55mm VR and 55-70mm VR is a good start.
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normat
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Not sure where you are but there is usually a shop or two in most places. The major stores (Best Buys and Circuits) tend to be a pain as their displays are often broken an nobody cares or really understands the products. That and they have those high tension security cables that make it feel more like fishing than photography.
The shops are helpful and but tend to specialize in one brand so you'll often get a biased opinion. Places like Ritz/Wolf tend to carry all the bodies but aren't the best places for lenses. Sometimes you can find really good sales staff there as well.
Durability and battery life are really excellent among all of the major SLRs. Now there could be some durability differences if you'll be slamming it into rocks and dropping it into the ocean. From experience I can say my Rebel XT 350D that I owned for several years was more rugged than any cell phone I've ever owned.
IMHO, I'd rather go with a used higher end body (even with fewer mega pixels) than a newer lower cost body but that also has it's risks. |
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mromero
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said by drlouis :What is a K10D? »www.dpreview.com/reviews/PentaxK10D/ |
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drlouis
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whoa! that's a lot of replies!
Well thanks everyone for the input, now I'm even more confused. What is a K10D? I can see clearly that I still have a lot of reading, and apparently playing to do.
I certainly didn't intend to start any in-fighting, I was just looking for some input on some of the things a newbie might not think of. Ie battery life, lenses, over-all quality/durability etc. I really do appreciate the help, and I have a lot to consider now. The biggest problem is gonna be there is a real dearth of shops that have camera's that retail for more than $200 around here. So getting them in my hands will be a challenge. |
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normat
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Sort of why I like the Canon n0D line - old or new. I know the controls and can set them practically with my eyes closed. I also like the feel of a Nikon D200 but am not quite as familiar with Nikon setups.
I haven't had the pleasure to try the Pentax line but the more manufactures making good equipment the better. |
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Jodokast96
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Re: Nikon D60 or Canon EOS 450D?
That's not picky at all. That's exactly why I suggested the D80 over it, and why I personally love the K10D. And it's exactly the reason I decided not to get an XTi when purchasing a DSLR. The XTi was the camera I was going to buy, no doubt about it. But I was given the advice to actually hold one before buying anything. So I did. Picked one up. Ok, feels fine. Then I picked up the Sony A100 next to it. Whoa! How much better did that feel. Now I just had to pick up the D80. Bigger whoa! That thing was awesome! Now I had to rethink everything. In the end, it was Pentax. I knew that no matter which camera I bought, I'd get a good quality picture, certainly one that was better than my skills. But it was the feel, and to a lesser extent certain features, that made my mind up for me. |
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ddevilduck
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i agree with you that the viewfinder is small. i have to smooosh my eye right in there to see what I want well. |
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normat
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No, I just find it rather hard myself to manual focus with the smaller viewfinders. They just aren't built for that anymore.
Though I'll sometimes MF with a tripod and stationary subject. |
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ddevilduck
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said by normat :said by ddevilduck :I recently bought the D60 kit. As a first time dSLR owner price was my main deciding factor. That and I liked how the D60 felt when holding it than the Canon Xsi felt. As far as lenses, I found myself using manual focus more than the auto focus just because I quickly learned that I wanted to control what was happening instead of letting the camera do it. Goodness, that has got to take some serious skill and good eyesight to manually focus a D60. i wouldnt say i have a good eye or skill.
I thought it was kinda simple, you turn the ring thing toward the front of the lens till what you see in the viewer looks the way you think it should. I dont have a photographer's eye so what I think may be good is not good to someone else. |
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kewlkeed
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Hehehe fun experience... When I say it comes down to the feel of it, this is how picky/bad I am...
I'm used to shooting Canon, so for me to use a 35mm or DSLR the controls are normally all in the same places and follow the same functions...
When I was originally using a Nikon to test with (I believe a D60 at the time too) I don't think I've ever swore so much in my life trying to find buttons and get them at the right time etc. Most of my shooting is done at high speed and doesn't get a second chance. So it burns my butt when I'm fumbling with controls (Not because they aren't there, or wrong, just that I don't know where they are in a heartbeat)
So yes it's all about the feel. I'm sure if I handed my cam to a Nikon fanatic they'd probably do the same lol  |
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SueS
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said by Jodokast96 :said by SueS :He said, you CAN ONLY use EF S "only on the crop bodies" 100% correct. He didn't say on crop bodies, you can only use EF-S. If he said: "You can only use EF-S on the crop bodies", you would be correct. Using "only" twice creates the confusion. Using it once but in different places gives you two different meanings. But once you place it in the second postion, there is only one meaning, though a bit confusing. Just as long as the original poster understands the difference is all that is important. |
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