Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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Kendall, FL
1 edit | 896kbps?
What the heck is wrong with them? 20Mbps down and a measly 896kbps up? |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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NH
clubs:  | How much upstream is used when one is using a full 20mbps down? |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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If ANY of the providers use marketing as a service, it's Qwest. They tried to compete with Comcast's digital voice by all the sudden one day putting out ads that said "Qwest digital phone".. and then all the sudden it's "Qwest Fiber Internet"... This is one time I will honestly say that Qwest is on it's last leg.. it can't continue to survive in the markets it does.. many of them have either Comcast or Cox as competitors and they're both wiping the land with Qwest. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
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AT&T has them beat with their highest U-Verse tier, at
least on the upload side: it gets 10Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up.
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
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said by fiberguy  :If ANY of the providers use marketing as a service, it's Qwest. They tried to compete with Comcast's digital voice by all the sudden one day putting out ads that said "Qwest digital phone".. and then all the sudden it's "Qwest Fiber Internet"... This is one time I will honestly say that Qwest is on it's last leg.. it can't continue to survive in the markets it does.. many of them have either Comcast or Cox as competitors and they're both wiping the land with Qwest. Sounds like a government bail out soon.. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
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said by Doctor Four :AT&T has them beat with their highest U-Verse tier, at least on the upload side: it gets 10Mbps down, 1.5Mbps up. "AT&T has them beat".. a phrase hardly ever heard!  |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Yeah but only on the upload and not by much, Quest has them beat with DOUBLE the download. |
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bent
not broken
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Loveland, CO
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896kbps, and the mentality behind it, is why I don't, and won't, use Qwest for my residential or business services. PPPoA on my 896k up DSL? $.05/min LD on my $700/mo PRI? No thanks.
It'll suck for the Denver economy, but I wonder who's going to occupy that building downtown when these guys fail?
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to tad2020
Hell, AT&T's basic Uverse package 1.5/1Mbps has it beat on the upload
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA
 ·AT&T DSL Service
| Your basic package does. When I checked yesterday, the base package they were offering my locale was 768 and it didn't hit 1mbps till after the $40 mark. Which is odd cause TWC now has at least 1mbps on all tiers, even the basic package, and no requirement that you must order TV service as well.
I was going to switch to uverse when they finish rolling it out here, but after hearing than they absolutely require ordering their rather crappy TV service and that their HSI is more expensive for less speed. With TWC I have their 'basic' package which is 8mpbs/1mbps for $40 w/o TV or voip. Uverse wants $45 for 6mbps/1mbps plus another $44 or more for TV. I have no idea what AT&T is thinking, it seems like they don't want any competitive advantage here. |
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fibercableboy
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said by fiberguy :If ANY of the providers use marketing as a service, it's Qwest. They tried to compete with Comcast's digital voice by all the sudden one day putting out ads that said "Qwest digital phone".. and then all the sudden it's "Qwest Fiber Internet"... This is one time I will honestly say that Qwest is on it's last leg.. it can't continue to survive in the markets it does.. many of them have either Comcast or Cox as competitors and they're both wiping the land with Qwest. Qwest has been on it's last leg for years. Nothing new. Qwest doesn't exactly have the best territory of them all, having to serve many small communities where cable companies tend to not invest themselves in. BTW, technically, Qwest's phone has been digital for quite some time. Don't tell me that Comcast's own tactics are any better or less dirty. |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by Rob :What the heck is wrong with them? 20Mbps down and a measly 896kbps up? Technology limit. thats what happens when you're using a tired old technology such as DSL.
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Anonymous_
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there is an 15ms to 20ms lantcy penalty with VDSL |
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Bink
join:2006-05-14
Denver, CO | reply to swhitney2003
When maximizing the download on my 7Mbps connection I generally don’t use more than 150Kbps for upstream TCP ACKs—so I imagine a full 20Mbps connection would require about 450Kbps for upstream ACKs. |
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rantou
join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX
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Thank you for that comment. I thought I was going to have to chime in and explain that it was the limit of the technology -- I have to deploy the ADSL2+ equipment for the ISP I work for and sure enough it's the limit of the technology, no getting around it with ADSL2+.
I do wish that when the ADSL2+ spec was released that it supported a bandwidth control option so that you could assign more upstream bandwidth within the data stream. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
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said by dvd536 :said by Rob :What the heck is wrong with them? 20Mbps down and a measly 896kbps up? Technology limit. thats what happens when you're using a tired old technology such as DSL. That doesn't make any sense. Other providers who use ADSL2 can offer 1Mbps upload. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to tad2020
What area are you in?
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to rantou
Really? They left ADSL2+ with the same upload limit as the original G.DMT ADSL? That's really lame if true.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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said by fibercableboy :said by fiberguy :If ANY of the providers use marketing as a service, it's Qwest. They tried to compete with Comcast's digital voice by all the sudden one day putting out ads that said "Qwest digital phone".. and then all the sudden it's "Qwest Fiber Internet"... This is one time I will honestly say that Qwest is on it's last leg.. it can't continue to survive in the markets it does.. many of them have either Comcast or Cox as competitors and they're both wiping the land with Qwest. Qwest has been on it's last leg for years. Nothing new. Qwest doesn't exactly have the best territory of them all, having to serve many small communities where cable companies tend to not invest themselves in. BTW, technically, Qwest's phone has been digital for quite some time. Don't tell me that Comcast's own tactics are any better or less dirty. I am well aware of the territory issue.. but still, they have cities like Seattle, Denver, the Twin Cities metro (certainly not a small city) and then Des Moines, Phoenix.. they may have small cities, but they too have very large ones.
As for their "digital phone" defense.. don't even try that with me. Just because you have something digital about 23,000 feet away and then send it out analog over the lines doesn't make it digital. With that reasoning, cable TV has been digital for quite some time!
Comcast's "own tactics" to which you know nothing of, is true digital phone. The phone terminates at your home in digital form. With digital phone, there was an RSU on the side of the house that put the service on the house wire and an RiSU inside apartments that did the same thing. With digital voice, it terminates inside the home, even closer, often to a cordless phone, in digital form.
Sorry, but that argument, which has been had, is old, tired, and never going to pass. |
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fibercableboy
@mchsi.com
| said by fiberguy :Comcast's "own tactics" to which you know nothing of, is true digital phone. The phone terminates at your home in digital form. With digital phone, there was an RSU on the side of the house that put the service on the house wire and an RiSU inside apartments that did the same thing. With digital voice, it terminates inside the home, even closer, often to a cordless phone, in digital form. Sorry, but that argument, which has been had, is old, tired, and never going to pass. Since when can you tell someone that they don't know anything about Comcast's tactics? I read just fine, thanks. Comcast certainly plays just as dirty, or dirtier, than Qwest. You'd realize this if didn't have a clear bias, Jack Cafferty.
No one asked about or disputed Comcast's digital phone service. Are you trying to sell something?
Sorry, but you certainly seem to be full of yourself by judging from all of yours posts on dslreports.com |
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