Dogfather
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meaning that Apple would need to physically replace the chips on phones exhibiting the behavior.
Cah-shing. Apple can't continue to avoid this problem and fixing it will sting. |
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adisor19
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meaning that Apple would need to physically replace the chips on phones exhibiting the behavior.
Cah-shing. Apple can't continue to avoid this problem and fixing it will sting. BS. This is just immature firmware. Apple/Infineon needs to get their act together.
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Matt
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| said by adisor19 :said by Dogfather : quote:
meaning that Apple would need to physically replace the chips on phones exhibiting the behavior.
Cah-shing. Apple can't continue to avoid this problem and fixing it will sting. BS. This is just immature firmware. Apple/Infineon needs to get their act together. Adi What makes you think that's the case? The article states specifically it's not firmware fixable and will require a chip replacement. |
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Dogfather
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said by Matt :What makes you think that's the case? The article states specifically it's not firmware fixable and will require a chip replacement. The article is wrong and it's PURE speculation. The Infineon chip is used in other phones as well and it's made to fall within the GSM/UMTS/HSDPA specifications. The problem is : fine tuning it to a particular situation/network. All this happens in firmware where certain parameters are being tweaked, perfected. Apple has a LOT of bread on their hands seeing that this is an ultra popular handset that is being sold in MANY different countries for many different networks.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | An infineon chip or this infineon chip is used in other handsets? |
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said by adisor19 :The article is wrong and it's PURE speculation. I think its too early to say. Many sources around the 'net are suggesting its a physical hardware issue that cant be fixed with a firmware upgrade. I suspect now that this issue has been receiving so much international attention, Apple will release some info in the next week or so. I would suspect that their first response will be a firmware upgrade, and then they will wait it out a month or two to see what impact that has. Clearly, if that doesnt help we will see recalls (of the first generation 3G units) around the holiday season which wont be a good thing!
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KrK
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Serious Defect....
Almost certainly, customers will demand replacement phones (and want them free.) Apple/AT&T will probably try to make it conditional (new 2 year contract, for example.)
Either way, a serious screw-up. |
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Re: Ouch
said by Matt :The article states specifically it's not firmware fixable and will require a chip replacement. No, the article says it likely isn't firmware fixable.
I would say it's likely that the author of this article has no idea about the gritty details of what can and can't be done in firmware. Because I just used the word "likely", my ass is covered if I'm wrong.
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My Samsung ZX-20 has a Qualcomm (has qcomm sticker on it), and Motorola V3xx has a different 3G chip.
Motorola V3xx works well, Samsung ZX-20 drops calls (replaced phone 3x under warranty for the issue).
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said by Dogfather : quote:
meaning that Apple would need to physically replace the chips on phones exhibiting the behavior.
Cah-shing. Apple can't continue to avoid this problem and fixing it will sting. What problem? Nothing to see here. Move along . . . .
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said by Matt :What makes you think that's the case? The article states specifically it's not firmware fixable and will require a chip replacement. The article implies "According to Windsor, the problem likely isn't firmware upgradeable" (emphasis mine). I would like to know if there is any fact behind Windsor's speculation. |
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said by en102 :Motorola V3xx works well, I'll second that. I've only dropped a few calls and that was when the 3G service was new in my area. It's been over a year since I had a call drop.
I think Motorola makes awesome phones. I hope that whoever buys the phone division from them keeps the quality intact.
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yabos
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They don't even KNOW what chipset Apple is using. This is pure speculation and from a *financial* analyst with not technical knowledge. This is a non story until some actual facts show up. |
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Matt
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I guess none of you realize that because it's a financial analyst, he likely has LOTS of technical knowledge, especially about what chip Apple is using. That's how they make decisions. |
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voipdabbler
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If you read wired.com today, part of the reason some may being saying it's an issue with Apple's chipset is that, supposedly, some AT&T employees have laid the blame on Apple's chipset when they've gotten complaints about the performance of the 3G iPhone. Like others quoted in the wired article, I suspect it's a combination of factors. No matter how you look at it, blame is deserved all around, especially if steps aren't taken to acknowledge the issues and fix them at some reasonable point in time. (In the US, I'd suggest Apple and AT&T do a better job of BETA testing. With NDAs upheld in courts here, there's no excuse for not adequately beta testing hardware and software.) |
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| said by voipdabbler :If you read wired.com today, part of the reason some may being saying it's an issue with Apple's chipset is that, supposedly, some AT&T employees have laid the blame on Apple's chipset when they've gotten complaints about the performance of the 3G iPhone. Like others quoted in the wired article, I suspect it's a combination of factors. So what are Canadian iPhone users saying? There's 3G and Edge up here, just a stones-throw away, but with a different network provider (Rogers/Fido). If the phones sold in Canada aren't having the same issues then more than likely it's an ATT problem.
Most of the iPhone users I know are pleased with the service here and the quality of reception and voice/audio fidelity. NB. I don't use an iPhone. |
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| Supposedly, there are reports of problems coming in from various networks around the world, especially after the recent firmware upgrade--GPS reportedly deteriorated in most markets around the world after that upgrade. The wired article references a CNET blog set up to compile a list of bugs with the 3G iPhone. That site has a pole that, if people are being accurate, shows that almost 25 percent of the bugs being reported are from networks outside North America. They don't break down the North American problems between Canada and the US, so I can't tell you what percentage of Canadian users are having problems. However, some Canadian users definitely had problems with GPS after the firmware upgrade. |
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A different explanation of iPhone 3G problems
»news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10016···1_3-0-20
Ny Teknik, a Swedish tech newspaper, has published the account of a scientist at the University of Gälve who investigated the iPhone 3G and discovered that the phone is not as sensitive to 3G signals as other phones. ... is claiming that the iPhone 3G's nominal sensitivity is below that of published standards for 3G phones, meaning the phone drops the connection with a 3G tower more quickly than other 3G phones as it moves away from the tower and averages slower data speeds when connected.
The researcher told Ny Teknik that such an issue would have been easily discovered in the certification process for the iPhone 3G in the various countries in which it is now available, implying that a manufacturing problem is to blame. Foxconn, also known as Hon Hai, is believed to be the manufacturer of the iPhone 3G, and reportedly increased production of the unit at the beginning of this month.
On Wednesday, Vodafone Australia joined the ranks of carriers blaming Apple for the reception issues with the iPhone 3G. T-Mobile Netherlands is telling its customers that either a hardware or software issue is to blame
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