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fatmanskinny
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? Thanks for your input. Ok, I think I got it.
1) I need to find where the demarc is.
2) A dry loop is just a phone line without dial tone.
Here is another question:
Will the phone company more than likely have an RJ11 jack at the demarc (where their work terminates) and our vendor will simply extend it from there OR will it more than likely be punched to a wiring block in the demarc, for which the wiring vendor will bring it to our floor and into the office terminating at an RJ11 port on the wall?
I think this is the final piece of the picture I am missing and once this is explained, I can move forward on Monday in confidence. Thanks.
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? Got it. So ultimately, our wiring vendor has to bring it from the demarc to an RJ11 in our room.
If I am not mistaken, that is how our fax line was brought on the floor, so to speak. It was ran from the demarc point (1st floor) to the second floor and then the wiring vendor "patched" it into a phone jack out on the floor.
It makes sense now. Tom, thanks for hanging in there with me. This was a brain stretcher and I now realize you cannot limit yourself to computers when in IT because stuff like this require some telecom knowledge.
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3 edits | Just a quick update: all went well.
AT&T brought the line in to our demarc location on the first floor. Then our wiring vendor ran it from there to our office on the second floor and installed an RJ11 plate on our wall so we could plug in the modem.
At first, when the wiring company finished, we were not getting a DSL signal. Then, he said he will try and put the wires "directly on top of AT&T's wiring." Then we were getting DSL sync lights.
On a 6MB / 512k Biz line, we are getting 5 1/2 MB / 414k up. I think that is very good.
We have 5 static IPs if we need them but right now, have the Netopia 3347W configured for wireless access without broadcasting the SSID in addition to locking it down to only see our two wireless MAC addresses.
Also, we have the internal firewall turned on along with the router doing DHCP. In addition, all software firewalls on our two laptops have been turned on as well. Overload?? 
Man, those business routers are quite a bit harder to configure but we got through it with AT&T's help.
Thanks everyone for your feedback.
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1 edit | Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? We enabled WPA on the router. I forgot to add that. | |
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| Dry Loop DSL is a misnomer in AT&T SE, as it will have a dial tone, although one that can't be used for anything but ANAC.
Typically, the line will be punched down on an RJ-21 block at the demarc, and labeled with the associated phone #. Then your wiring vendor can take it from there, just like any other phone line.
Probably too late to mention it, but it's like really helpful and stuff if the AT&T installer has a good contact number on the Service Order. Somebody that has an idea of what they want, and isn't on vacation that week.
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by Claybraker  :Dry Loop DSL is a misnomer in AT&T SE, as it will have a dial tone, although one that can't be used for anything but ANAC. What do you dial for ANAC?
Op: The DSL line will be exactly as the fax line. You can plug an RJ11 cable into the RJ45 jack with no issues, other than potential damange to the jack, it will work fine for any RJ11 but if you try to use it with an 8P8C ("RJ45") in the future it might need to be replaced, since you have a vendor that does all your wiring I wouldn't worry. If I was doing the wiring I would create a patch cord with an RJ11 on one end for the DSL modem and an 8P8C on the other end to go into the wall.
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by joako : What do you dial for ANAC? Sorry ANAC numbers are proprietary info... | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? ANAC numbers aren't proprietary. Call AT&T's engineering dept / telco support and they will tell you. Here in Columbia the number is 530. When you ask for test numbers, they will also give you a milliwatt tone number that gives you a 1000hz tone at 0DB to test equipment. | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by bogey780 :Techs don't need hobbyists and competitors busying out their lines. Thanks for the help. I'll keep on using the "TPI Automated Test line" in Miami, that 1) is limited to a single call at once, 2) Always does a callback, even if it's long distance.
Heck let me call it a few times right now, just for the hell of it.
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| said by joako :What do you dial for ANAC? RCL->9 on my Butt Set.
HTH. | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by fatmanskinny :Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? Not sure on the origin, but I found this little gem:
"The units have alligator clips that latch onto phone lines at punch blocks and telephone jacks allowing the technician to make or monitor (butt in on) telephone calls."
»encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Butt+set
Seems plausible, but maybe someone else can shed more light on the etymology.
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|  Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel??
What we decided to do is let AT&T bring a dry loop into the demarc location on the 1st floor. Management, wisely, does not want to run DSL over the only analog line we have, which is a fax line.
Then, our wiring vendor will take the line from the demarc location and run it up to our wiring closet on the 2nd floor and terminate it in our room at a new RJ11 outlet.
Right now, I am waiting for the AT&T rep to call me back so I can get a final total for installation - probably none since we are not using AT&T for a professional installation - activation and equipment charges.
If I remember correctly, dry loop is $10 more a month.
Once we get that, I will present to management for approval and once approved, we will set up billing and we should be rockin and rollin about 5 business days from that day.
Thanks for asking.
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? Sounds like a plan.
From our end, there's going to be 2 Service Orders issued. First is an N order to establish the new service, then a C order to connect the DSL on the loop.
Most of the time both Service Orders are worked at the same time, but not always.
Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by Claybraker :Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. Luckily, the building security that AT&T will see when they come has access to the phone room so they will be able to let him in.
Also, my contact info will be on the order just in case he has any issues with getting access.
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1 edit | >> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>>
It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by NetFixer :said by Buttset :>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>> It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) And for those who require visual aids, here is a classic example: [att=1] Looks more like a 554/2554 than a buttset.
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1 edit | said by Buttset :It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) No it really has nothing to do with anatomy the term butt-set started as butt-in because of the devices ability to be placed on a line by a technician in the monitor position and if needed butt-in to the conversation to “talk” to the subscriber about the trouble they reported in many cases that tech would be up a pole on hooks working a 4 or more party line. As the butt-in moved from a rubber encased handset with a pick operated rotary dial to a device with a speakerphone speed dialing CID and DSL proof the term butt-set became the common term for the instrument.
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Tucker, GA | said by Buttset :RCL -> 1 on my ButtSet!! RCL>1 here as well. | |
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by DeltaElite :said by Buttset :RCL -> 1 on my ButtSet!! RCL>1 here as well. What no cell phone?
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Tucker, GA | Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? I just recently re-discovered the SASS test line.
I didnt remember how usefull a quiet termination was.
DATU aint got no quiet term....
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? When Bellsouth implimented "dry dsl" they chose to give it dialtone that cant be used to help us poor techs in the field identify the line as working.
I suspect in other regions alot of dry loop customers are getting there pairs stolen.
In the old BS region, you should still have clean quiet dialtone on the line, just no means to make any calls.
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| Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? said by DeltaElite :When Bellsouth implimented "dry dsl" they chose to give it dialtone that cant be used to help us poor techs in the field identify the line as working. I just had SAFA installed as an additional FastAccess line over IFITL. Guess what? I now have a new BSW and a new dial-tone to no-where in a new NID. Seems the two PCData lines and the home line equalled the 5 pairs of the old BSW so the 6th pair required a new BSW.
The die hard ST who came out here overlooked the call ahead request on the SO and couldn’t locate my very well hidden NID. I found out later being die hard he didn’t no access the SO heck no he broke out a cable locator hooked it up at the ONU and found the old NID that way. I now have a very little tiny “P” in Sharpie indicating where the NID’;s are located under the home. Poor guy with one call I could have saved him an hour working under a 105 degree heat index heck I would even have come over and given him a hand well maybe not a hand as in working but I would have held his umbrella for him.
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Tucker, GA | Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel?? Some days are diamonds, some days are stones!!!
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| said by DeltaElite :In the old BS region, you should still have clean quiet dialtone on the line, just no means to make any calls. I can call 959-1041 just fine from my SAFA line.
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| said by tschmidt :Dry loop ADSL is just regular ADSL but without a connection to Central Office telephone switch. Legacy Bellsouth has dialtone on it. | |
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