joako
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to DeltaElite
Re: [Services] DSL Dry loop signal through patch panel??
said by DeltaElite  :In the old BS region, you should still have clean quiet dialtone on the line, just no means to make any calls. I can call 959-1041 just fine from my SAFA line.
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DeltaElite
We Dont Dial 911
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Tucker, GA | reply to Splitpair
Some days are diamonds, some days are stones!!!
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Splitpair
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Cow Towne
 ·T-Mobile US
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said by DeltaElite :When Bellsouth implimented "dry dsl" they chose to give it dialtone that cant be used to help us poor techs in the field identify the line as working. I just had SAFA installed as an additional FastAccess line over IFITL. Guess what? I now have a new BSW and a new dial-tone to no-where in a new NID. Seems the two PCData lines and the home line equalled the 5 pairs of the old BSW so the 6th pair required a new BSW.
The die hard ST who came out here overlooked the call ahead request on the SO and couldn’t locate my very well hidden NID. I found out later being die hard he didn’t no access the SO heck no he broke out a cable locator hooked it up at the ONU and found the old NID that way. I now have a very little tiny “P” in Sharpie indicating where the NID’;s are located under the home. Poor guy with one call I could have saved him an hour working under a 105 degree heat index heck I would even have come over and given him a hand well maybe not a hand as in working but I would have held his umbrella for him. 
Wayne
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DeltaElite
We Dont Dial 911
join:2002-03-29
Tucker, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to heat84
When Bellsouth implimented "dry dsl" they chose to give it dialtone that cant be used to help us poor techs in the field identify the line as working.
I suspect in other regions alot of dry loop customers are getting there pairs stolen.
In the old BS region, you should still have clean quiet dialtone on the line, just no means to make any calls.
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 ·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Claybraker
said by Claybraker :Dry Loop DSL is a misnomer in AT&T SE, as it will have a dial tone, although one that can't be used for anything but ANAC. What happens if you do that since the line has no phone number? Or does it? If so, why if its just for DSL? |
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DeltaElite
We Dont Dial 911
join:2002-03-29
Tucker, GA | reply to Splitpair
I just recently re-discovered the SASS test line.
I didnt remember how usefull a quiet termination was.
DATU aint got no quiet term....
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering
1 edit | reply to tschmidt
We enabled WPA on the router. I forgot to add that. |
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Splitpair
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Cow Towne
·T-Mobile US
| reply to DeltaElite
said by DeltaElite :said by Buttset :RCL -> 1 on my ButtSet!! RCL>1 here as well. What no cell phone?
Wayne
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DeltaElite
We Dont Dial 911
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Tucker, GA | reply to Buttset
said by Buttset :RCL -> 1 on my ButtSet!! RCL>1 here as well. |
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tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to fatmanskinny
Glad everything turned out OK.
said by fatmanskinny : wireless access without broadcasting the SSID in addition to locking it down to only see our two wireless MAC addresses. Neither of those precautions are very effective from a security perspective. Hopefully you are using some form of WPA to protect your Wireless network.
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fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
 ·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
3 edits | reply to tschmidt
Just a quick update: all went well.
AT&T brought the line in to our demarc location on the first floor. Then our wiring vendor ran it from there to our office on the second floor and installed an RJ11 plate on our wall so we could plug in the modem.
At first, when the wiring company finished, we were not getting a DSL signal. Then, he said he will try and put the wires "directly on top of AT&T's wiring." Then we were getting DSL sync lights.
On a 6MB / 512k Biz line, we are getting 5 1/2 MB / 414k up. I think that is very good.
We have 5 static IPs if we need them but right now, have the Netopia 3347W configured for wireless access without broadcasting the SSID in addition to locking it down to only see our two wireless MAC addresses.
Also, we have the internal firewall turned on along with the router doing DHCP. In addition, all software firewalls on our two laptops have been turned on as well. Overload?? 
Man, those business routers are quite a bit harder to configure but we got through it with AT&T's help.
Thanks everyone for your feedback.
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
Premium
join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
·Vonage
·AT&T Southeast
·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
1 edit | reply to joako
said by joako :Looks more like a 554/2554 than a buttset.
I apologize, I forgot that some people can't recognize a butt when they are sitting on it. 
Does this annotated visual aid help?
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Annotated image of installer with buttset
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joako
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·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to NetFixer
said by NetFixer :said by Buttset :>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>> It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) And for those who require visual aids, here is a classic example: [att=1] Looks more like a 554/2554 than a buttset.
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Splitpair
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Cow Towne
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to Buttset
said by Buttset :It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) No it really has nothing to do with anatomy the term butt-set started as butt-in because of the devices ability to be placed on a line by a technician in the monitor position and if needed butt-in to the conversation to “talk” to the subscriber about the trouble they reported in many cases that tech would be up a pole on hooks working a 4 or more party line. As the butt-in moved from a rubber encased handset with a pick operated rotary dial to a device with a speakerphone speed dialing CID and DSL proof the term butt-set became the common term for the instrument.
Wayne
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NetFixer
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Murfreesboro, TN
·Vonage
·AT&T Southeast
·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T CallVantage
| reply to Buttset
said by Buttset :>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>> It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) And for those who require visual aids, here is a classic example:
Buttset on the butt
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Buttset
join:2001-11-12
Ladson, SC
1 edit | reply to fatmanskinny
>> Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? I would think a butt set would be a pair of butt cheeks. Oh well....>>
It's simple. It hangs off your butt! (When clipped to your tool belt) |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
| reply to Claybraker
said by Claybraker :Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. Luckily, the building security that AT&T will see when they come has access to the phone room so they will be able to let him in.
Also, my contact info will be on the order just in case he has any issues with getting access.
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Claybraker
join:2002-04-13
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| reply to fatmanskinny
Sounds like a plan.
From our end, there's going to be 2 Service Orders issued. First is an N order to establish the new service, then a C order to connect the DSL on the loop.
Most of the time both Service Orders are worked at the same time, but not always.
Forgot to mention that it's like real helpful if the contact number on the SO knows somebody that can provide access to the phone room. |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast
|  reply to Claybraker
Actually, you are staying on topic. The rest of us have veered off.
What we decided to do is let AT&T bring a dry loop into the demarc location on the 1st floor. Management, wisely, does not want to run DSL over the only analog line we have, which is a fax line.
Then, our wiring vendor will take the line from the demarc location and run it up to our wiring closet on the 2nd floor and terminate it in our room at a new RJ11 outlet.
Right now, I am waiting for the AT&T rep to call me back so I can get a final total for installation - probably none since we are not using AT&T for a professional installation - activation and equipment charges.
If I remember correctly, dry loop is $10 more a month.
Once we get that, I will present to management for approval and once approved, we will set up billing and we should be rockin and rollin about 5 business days from that day.
Thanks for asking.
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Claybraker
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said by fatmanskinny :Uh, who decided to call something a Butt Set? Not sure on the origin, but I found this little gem:
"The units have alligator clips that latch onto phone lines at punch blocks and telephone jacks allowing the technician to make or monitor (butt in on) telephone calls."
»encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Butt+set
Seems plausible, but maybe someone else can shed more light on the etymology.
Not meaning to hijack the thread or anything, but how did the meeting go today with your wiring vendor? |
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