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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. Usenet costs money, torrents are free.
Usenet has poor selection, torrents have far more available content, including much that is not and will never be on usenet.
There's no comparison. Free and greater selection versus expensive and limited selection.
I also generally do not have problems with fake or spam torrents. | |
|  Ravage_D
join:2003-03-28
Kingston, ON
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1 edit | Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by Guspaz  :Usenet has poor selection, torrents have far more available content, including much that is not and will never be on usenet. I can't agree with this! I've found it to be the opposite! For what I'm looking for (and I'm pretty mainstream) there's the same or better selection on Usenet rather than on Torrents. Plus you don't have to deal with having poorly seeded files.
Perhaps we're looking for different things or in different places. | |
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nanook
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join:2007-12-02
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| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by Ravage_D :I know people out there will argue that you have to pay for access to a Usenet service with decent retention -- but it's honestly not that expensive. You can go with Astraweb for just over $13 a month unlimited access. Those who make only casual use of torrents do not want to pay extra for Usenet however modest the cost. Those who are heavy torrent users can spend as much for Usenet bandwidth as they pay their ISP for Internet access each month.
Considering the heartache around torrents, how plagued they are with fake files/viruses and adware/banners associated with their indexing websites -- forget it. I am a fairly heavy user of BT yet I have never gotten a fake file or virus nor do I have problems with ads on indexing websites, public and private. (Maybe they have ads and I simply do not see them because of AdBlockPlus.)
Perhaps we're looking for different things or in different places. Apparently. | |
| Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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| said by Guspaz :Usenet costs money, torrents are free. Usenet has poor selection, torrents have far more available content, including much that is not and will never be on usenet. I also dont agree with this >_ While Torrents sometimes last longer... with newsgroup retention now at 200 days... and reposts frequently, pretty much everything on Torrent ends up on usenet.
Most the scene releases of TV shows and movies also appear on usenet before Torrent...albeit a whole few mins fast in most cases, but still.
That being said... why bother with them? Well, why not? If everyone gave up on torrents, and just went to Usenet... what do you think the ISPS next throttle would be?
Also... get into a private tracker, and you wont experience fake files. Even the very-non-exclusive ones like Torrentleech have good moderation, and a great selection.
I run both Usenet and torrents... I can say theyre pretty much both equal, sometimes Usenet has stuff torrent doesn't, sometimes Torrent has stuff usenet doesn't... People just pick their poison and stick with it.
One advantage I'd have to say with Usenet though... You can watch your TV shows/movies as you download them, so it's like streaming... almost watch anything instantly, it's good when you get the sudden urge to want to watch something, and not want to wait 40-60 mins for a movie to d/l. | |
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Zaaaaper
@rogers.com
| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. Torrentleech needs an invitation to sign up could you invite me some how? As I'm unsure how to go about getting an Invite any other way.
My email Address is
Bob_is_here@rogers .com
Thank you for your time and hopefully that Invite
Bob | |
| Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
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| said by Guspaz :Usenet costs money, torrents are free. Usenet has poor selection, torrents have far more available content, including much that is not and will never be on usenet. There's no comparison. Free and greater selection versus expensive and limited selection. I also generally do not have problems with fake or spam torrents. I second this, minus Guspaz's love for private trackers (which basically go against the filesharing principle even though they claim they don't).
I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. | |
| | Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. You use ubuntu and have trouble with newsgroups? :P If your willing to take the plunge and go linux, I'd say newsgroups will be a breeze for you.
I only toy around in linux, dont use it on any of my main comps, so not sure which are good newsgroup programs. Find one that does nzbs, then goto some free nzb site. Then it works like torrents... you search for what you want, dl the nzb, hit open, and it should work.
Better yet... find one that has a built in supersearch function, and it dumbs down newsgroups so theyre easier then P2P like Kazaa/Limewire/Naspter.
Theres also a pretty good $12 a month provider, ngroups.net, unlimited downloads and really cheap. Maxes out my Internet connection too. | |
| | | Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
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| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by Ikarasu :You use ubuntu and have trouble with newsgroups? :P If your willing to take the plunge and go linux, I'd say newsgroups will be a breeze for you. Well, I have been using Linux since 99 at work, but always had Windows at home because of games. Now that I can run most games in Linux as well as the latter constantly improving, I made the switch to Linux last year. I'm as happy as a pig in shit. I could never go back to Windows. My wife feels the same way (and she's not very computer savvy).
As for newsgroups, as I said, I just have not given it a try for many years. If anyone knows good, free newsgroups that don't impose too small caps, I'm sure I could be tempted.
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I only toy around in linux, dont use it on any of my main comps, so not sure which are good newsgroup programs. Find one that does nzbs, then goto some free nzb site. Then it works like torrents... you search for what you want, dl the nzb, hit open, and it should work.
NZBs?
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Better yet... find one that has a built in supersearch function, and it dumbs down newsgroups so theyre easier then P2P like Kazaa/Limewire/Naspter.
Will have a look soon.
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Theres also a pretty good $12 a month provider, ngroups.net, unlimited downloads and really cheap. Maxes out my Internet connection too.
America only, or also from Europe? I'll be moving to France in two weeks. | |
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Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by Black Moon :If anyone knows good, free newsgroups A "good" and "free" binary newsgroup doesn't exist, if you want something decent you'll need a provider.
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It's all... part of the plan. | |
| | | | | Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
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| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by Stewy :A "good" and "free" binary newsgroup doesn't exist, if you want something decent you'll need a provider. Alright, how about one that is free? Speed is less important to me than money, though I am open to suggestions for paid newsgroups with good content.
Then again, almost all my needs are either satisfied by torrents or eMule. Unless someone can find Quincy Jones' 'Basie & Beyond' as FLAC or APE on newsgroups - and a few other rarities - I don't think I'd need to bother. | |
| | | | | | Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC
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| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. Teksavvy (Presuming your still on them) Provides free binary newsgroups if you pay $4 a month for a static IP. It's limited at 1.5M though I believe.
Flacs are one thing I miss about torrents tbh. They don't have flacs... but nowheres near as much as Oink did. I hear waffles has a lot... but sadly it's private, and since I got out of the BT scene... not very easy to find someone with invites. You might have better luck though...and I imagine they'd have it in flac :P | |
| | | | | | | Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. I really despise private bittorrent trackers for a host of reasons, so I won't be searching around for invites to any of them.
I'll see about newsgroups once I'm in France, because signing up now is useless. Thanks for your help. | |
| | elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
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said by Black Moon :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? | |
| | | cbp
join:2005-11-24
Montreal, QC
| Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by elwoodblues :said by Black Moon :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? I pay Astraweb 11/month unlimited. | |
| | | | elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
1 edit | Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by cbp :said by elwoodblues :said by Black Moon :I don't have much experience with usenet. Tried it some years ago, found it difficult to set up and find content (someone know a good guide on setting this up in Ubuntu?) and I don't like paying a monthly $10/mo for some 10 GB or so of content. Huh? I pay Usenetserver 13/month unlimited??? I pay Astraweb 11/month unlimited. While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago.
In my experience no evening/weekend support.
poor retention
Just a bad experience overall.
Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. | |
| | | | | cbp
join:2005-11-24
Montreal, QC
1 edit | Re: [Rant] Torrents? ..Who needs them.. said by elwoodblues :While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago. In my experience no evening/weekend support. poor retention Just a bad experience overall. Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. Trying support right now. Let us hope that it works ok.
Retention wise I got a 90+ day old file. Didn't need anything older.
It is Unlimited DSL which has no speed limit (a special). It maxes out my 7Mbps connection. | |
| | | | | Phorkster
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| said by elwoodblues :While I can't speak for Astraweb today, I did use them sometime ago. In my experience no evening/weekend support. poor retention Just a bad experience overall. Oh and your 11/month is at 1mbit speed, a total waste of time. I get 1MB/s +. I max my connection. | |
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