 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
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Re: too vague Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs
VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx)
Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max)
So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs.
But cmon, who does all that? |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | from the article, I don't see where it says 'throttling will occur once the 250gb cap has been met' or similar. so i take it as even normal users could be throttled (without hitting the cap) to make sure other users have access. etc. which is different than only throttling when cap has been reached. |
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 David_La vida es bella
join:2001-01-28
chile | reply to baineschile
said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? A single person , hardly , but a household with 2 adults surfing the net after work, plus 2 or 3 teenagers downloading from itunes, on voip messenger, and streaming from netflix, shoutcast and skype on all day will probably be labeled a heavy user in no time .
Imagine a small lan with wifi in today`s world, and you`ll easily surpass 250gb x month. |
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | said by David_:said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? A single person , hardly , but a household with 2 adults surfing the net after work, plus 2 or 3 teenagers downloading from itunes, on voip messenger, and streaming from netflix, shoutcast and skype on all day will probably be labeled a heavy user in no time . Imagine a small lan with wifi in today`s world, and you`ll easily surpass 250gb x month. Perhaps 250 GB would be surpassed, but not easily, and historically not too often. It does sound like this scenario would be using the service to the max. Perhaps people with this type of situation can purchase a separate line/modem to accommodate this potentially heavy usage. There has to be some kind of limit with a LAN. 4 heavy video streaming viewers sharing a connection in an apartment might not individually exceed the limits, but together they certainly might. Even still, Comcast states that this scenario is a rare occurrence.
Keep in mind that Comcast is not simply pulling up a random number for their caps/throttling. Most of their users have not exceeded this 250GB cap. It does not matter how it might happen, Comcast only measures total usage. So you might have one user or a family of 10 on a network; regardless, hardly anyone currently exceeds this proposed maximum limit that will be set. |
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said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? Well for people that use the internet much more than just checking hotmail and using stupid facebook, you may have a house sharing 4-5 connection, if each person does that, it will easily go over 250gb. and maybe people arent downloading 2 movies a day, but they could be downloading a FULL BOUGHT DVD which is around 8 GIGS ... maybe 10 at once .. 3x4 times a month ..
multiply by another 4... you get the idea.
either way, it makes no difference.
the limit should be a terabyte of data. just one.
more than 80% may never get there. so thats good and reasonable.
if you go over than they can charge you 100$ there you go . |
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said by jmn1207:said by David_:said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? A single person , hardly , but a household with 2 adults surfing the net after work, plus 2 or 3 teenagers downloading from itunes, on voip messenger, and streaming from netflix, shoutcast and skype on all day will probably be labeled a heavy user in no time . Imagine a small lan with wifi in today`s world, and you`ll easily surpass 250gb x month. Perhaps 250 GB would be surpassed, but not easily, and historically not too often. It does sound like this scenario would be using the service to the max. Perhaps people with this type of situation can purchase a separate line/modem to accommodate this potentially heavy usage. There has to be some kind of limit with a LAN. 4 heavy video streaming viewers sharing a connection in an apartment might not individually exceed the limits, but together they certainly might. Even still, Comcast states that this scenario is a rare occurrence. Keep in mind that Comcast is not simply pulling up a random number for their caps/throttling. Most of their users have not exceeded this 250GB cap. It does not matter how it might happen, Comcast only measures total usage. So you might have one user or a family of 10 on a network; regardless, hardly anyone currently exceeds this proposed maximum limit that will be set. I easily go over 500GB each month .
my speed is what should be limited. to 6MB which is what i am paying for .
period. |
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jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
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said by DJMASACRE:said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? Well for people that use the internet much more than just checking hotmail and using stupid facebook, you may have a house sharing 4-5 connection, if each person does that, it will easily go over 250gb. and maybe people arent downloading 2 movies a day, but they could be downloading a FULL BOUGHT DVD which is around 8 GIGS ... maybe 10 at once .. 3x4 times a month .. multiply by another 4... you get the idea. either way, it makes no difference. the limit should be a terabyte of data. just one. more than 80% may never get there. so thats good and reasonable. if you go over than they can charge you 100$ there you go . Comcast would have us believe that less than 2% of its users are currently exceeding the proposed 250GB limit. Why set the number to cater to your particular needs? It sounds as if you are one of the customers that Comcast does not want on their system. It makes it impossible for them to accurately build up and maintain their infrastructure when only a handful of users can skew the results. Should Comcast spend millions to upgrade an area supporting 500 customers or throttle/limit 4 users that are causing the congestion?
Edit: »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···html?rel
Douglas was careful to emphasize that bandwidth abusers are a very small minority of Comcast's customers, reiterating that the issue is confined to less than 0.01 percent of the company's subscribers. "In fact, 95 percent of our users could increase their bandwidth usage a hundred-fold and still be in compliance," he said.
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But then what is the 250GB cap for then?
If they apparently say they don't have plans for usage based billing, then reaching the 250GB cap must cause something to happen, and it would be logical to assume that throttling would occur. Since I doubt they would just cut the user completely off until the next billing cycle starts. |
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Maybe not a person, but for a family of 4 or 5 it maybe an easy cap to break.
I suppose ISPs would like to take the position that the connection is only for one person to use and a family of 5 should have 5 separate accounts or pay five times as much, but I'll pass.
While everyone will have there own preferences in an internet connection, I'm happy with an uncapped slower dsl line. It's fast enough. I don't need 50Mbps, caps, and overage fees. At least I don't need 50Mbps yet.
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hurfyPremium
join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA Reviews:
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Applying logic to the cable companies is not logical, try again please 
If they meant 'when users reach their cap' they could have simply said that...they didn't. I'll go with a daily/hourly/at-the-moment definition and that they will come up with a revenue enhancing solution for reaching a cap  |
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Keep in mind things you can use your internet connection for are increasing. So if they took your approach the 2% might become 10% with in 6 months than another year down the road 20% and so on and so on. Grant I am pulling those numbers out of thin area but it is more to the point that none of us can really predict what services might just take off all of a sudden.
I sure as hell won't cap 250GB right now as I usually pull off 100GB but I am only 1 person in a house. And if 2% of occupancy on local area infrastructure can drag it down I really think their over subscription rate is way to high.
All in all I think ISP's just need to stop and think further out than just what is in front of their face now. But than again they are about gouging their customers and protecting their other cash cows. |
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said by baineschile:Downloading an unbox movie - 3gigs VOiP 1 hour chat - 30Mb/hr (approx) Surfing Clips - 250-500Mb an hour (1024x768 max) So, if you download 2 movies a day (180 gigs/mo), chat on the phone 2 hours a day (about 4 gigs/mo) and surf for video clips 3 hours a day (about 40 gigs/mo), you are still using less than the cap 224gigs. But cmon, who does all that? a lot of people, maybe just not you. Just because YOU don't use that much, it doesn't mean you are the standard for everyone else. How about a large family on a home network?
Multiply that number by 4.
BTW, I used much more than 224 one month, ALL OF IT legal. I think I am just tired of hearing how everyone who uses more than XYZ per month is a criminal. |
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