pnh102
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Andy Abramson discusses how he was able to use Phweet, a flash audio based VoIP service, to talk to Stern for free while she was airborne despite the restrictions.
The quickest way to kill a service like this is to abuse it by not following the rules. What is going to happen when everyone decides to use VOIP on a plane?
Unless you can afford to own and/or charter your own private jet, you simply are not important enough to use a phone on a plane.
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thevorpal
join:2007-11-16
Alexandria, VA
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Re: Learn To Behave
said by pnh102  :The quickest way to kill a service like this is to abuse it by not following the rules. What is going to happen when everyone decides to use VOIP on a plane? Unless you can afford to own and/or charter your own private jet, you simply are not important enough to use a phone on a plane. You seem to have two arguements here:
1. What would happen when everyone decides to use VOIP on a plane?
Well, what would happen if everyone on the plane decided to stream video? The real question here should be what sort of restriction on the packets we use on the aircraft, not the services that generate them. A reasonable restriction would be to give us a service-agnostic limit to follow.
2. Unless you can afford your own charter, you aren't important enough to use a phone on a plane? That is a VERY bold claim, and one that has NOTHING to do with the network's capacity or capabilities.
It seems that your real issue here is that you want to control the behavior of others by using the limitations of a network as an excuse for your inability to deal with someone holding a conversation on a phone. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to pnh102
This service will not die. First it's 12 bucks a flight. Second the flight attendant can tell you to stop and if you refuse, you can get into serious legal trouble. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by pnh102 : quote:
Andy Abramson discusses how he was able to use Phweet, a flash audio based VoIP service, to talk to Stern for free while she was airborne despite the restrictions.
The quickest way to kill a service like this is to abuse it by not following the rules. What is going to happen when everyone decides to use VOIP on a plane? I agree. A service is provided and the 1st thing they do is try and break all the rules and then tell everyone how to do it. They should have confiscated her laptop until the plane landed.
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WickedWinter
join:2003-08-02
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So a six hour flight with business men/women barking in to their cell phones all around is OK?
VOIP is not blocked becuase of the packets it uses, it's blocked becuase it's intollerable, and would likely cuase riots, and mass exodus of cusotmers. |
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jaminus
join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA | Why not have a "VOIP section" in the back of the plane for a few extra bucks?
Besides, who doesn't have headphones nowadays to pass the time on flights? |
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA
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said by thevorpal :Well, what would happen if everyone on the plane decided to stream video? The real question here should be what sort of restriction on the packets we use on the aircraft, not the services that generate them. A reasonable restriction would be to give us a service-agnostic limit to follow. Why is it OK for American Airlines to throttle your connection or implement caps but it's not OK for Comcast, AT&T, et al? I'm paying for the service, I should be able to use it for whatever I want. It's my god-given right. What if I want to download 3TBs of Linux distros on my cross-country flight, or stream Netflix, or...
All the above was written in jest. |
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person300
@comcast.net
| said by probboy :said by thevorpal :Well, what would happen if everyone on the plane decided to stream video? The real question here should be what sort of restriction on the packets we use on the aircraft, not the services that generate them. A reasonable restriction would be to give us a service-agnostic limit to follow. Why is it OK for American Airlines to throttle your connection or implement caps but it's not OK for Comcast, AT&T, et al? I'm paying for the service, I should be able to use it for whatever I want. It's my god-given right. What if I want to download 3TBs of Linux distros on my cross-country flight, or stream Netflix, or... All the above was written in jest. Very different. People talking loudly over the phone are annoying on a plane. You are sharing space on a plane. You are not in your home and therefore must take in mind other people's attitudes about your actions. If this service is in your own home then yes, it is intolerable and an outrage that the service provider would block it. The feature as explained in the article is blocked to prevent excessive noise and annoyance to other customers who share the flight. In your own home you do not have to care or be concerned about what others think of you loudly talking on a phone. THAT is the difference. Just like if you rent an apartment and share it with others college friends, you usually have to set some basic rules that everyone must follow. AKA, clean up after yourself. If it is your own home you can throw the soda and food crumbs all over the floor if you like. |
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Maynard G Krebs
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| said by person300 :said by probboy :said by thevorpal :Well, what would happen if everyone on the plane decided to stream video? The real question here should be what sort of restriction on the packets we use on the aircraft, not the services that generate them. ...... Why is it OK for American Airlines to throttle your connection or implement caps but it's not OK for Comcast, AT&T, et al? I'm paying for the service, I should be able to use it for whatever I want. ...... Very different. People talking loudly over the phone are annoying on a plane. You are sharing space on a plane. You are not in your home and therefore must take in mind other people's attitudes about your actions. ...... It's absolutely no different than sitting in a food court under a tall office building or at the local mall where *everyone* is talking on a cellphone while choking down a burger and fries. The fact that you're traveling at 1000 Kph while talking has nothing to do with it.
The airlines have turned the aircraft into a flying food court already, nickel and dime-ing you for food, snacks, and beverages - so why shouldn't we treat it as such and talk while we fly?
The airlines are only going to block VOIP to preserve what little revenue stream they get from the phones they've mounted on seatbacks. Nobody complains when you use those phones. |
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NetAdmin
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said by TKJunkMail :I agree. A service is provided and the 1st thing they do is try and break all the rules and then tell everyone how to do it. They should have confiscated her laptop until the plane landed. No, they should have made her sit in the bathroom. 
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person300
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said by Maynard G Krebs :
It's absolutely no different than sitting in a food court under a tall office building or at the local mall where *everyone* is talking on a cellphone while choking down a burger and fries. The fact that you're traveling at 1000 Kph while talking has nothing to do with it.
The airlines have turned the aircraft into a flying food court already, nickel and dime-ing you for food, snacks, and beverages - so why shouldn't we treat it as such and talk while we fly?
The airlines are only going to block VOIP to preserve what little revenue stream they get from the phones they've mounted on seatbacks. Nobody complains when you use those phones.
Well, I have not seeing much eating and extreme chatting on a plane usually. Do not know what airline you use. I also do not know if you have traveled on long flights over 10 hrs. When I went to Hawaii on late flight I enjoyed getting some sleep during the night but I guess that is abnormal and I should want loud chatter on the flight to not let me get some shut eye. It is just a courteous thing to do and have on a plane, especially on long flights. Next you will be telling me to get my own plane to enjoy some quiet. Most people can't afford that sorry. There is also no need to be chatting on a phone on a plane. If you need to contact someone about a detail use the web service and send them an e-mail and help preserve the quiet. |
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by jaminus :Why not have a "VOIP section" in the back of the plane for a few extra bucks? Yeah. That worked pretty well back when smoking was permitted on planes. The smoke hit the imaginary wall and prevented the non-smoking section from having to breath in the smoke. I'm sure that same wall will be just as effective for people talking on their cellVOIP phones.
Besides, who doesn't have headphones nowadays to pass the time on flights? Most phone conversations are two way, so while headphones would prevent the speaker's sound from being broadcast around the cabin, it would do little to prevent the "can you hear me Can you here me CAN YOU HEAR ME" conversation. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to insomniac84
I'm waiting for the first emergency landing and SWAT storming due to someone getting personal about their phone call. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to NetAdmin
Why not just make a soundproof phone booth on board? |
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pepe352865104
@northwestern.edu
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Do you *really* think this is a practical thing to have to add to the flight attendant's plate? They have bad enough time as it stands now with unruly passengers who think they are god's gift. People don't *need* to be able to talk on the phone while flying. It's a luxury, not a necessity.
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pnh102
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said by patcat88 :Why not just make a soundproof phone booth on board? Airlines make money off of full seats, not on empty space that does not generate revenue. Such a space would most likely require the removal of seats that generate money when they are filled.
And again, no one who flies on a commercial plane as a passenger is important enough to merit needing the ability to use a phone during flight. If they were, they would be able to afford their own private air travel which would enable them to have this luxury.
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aciddrink
join:2000-08-26
Kailua, HI
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said by Maynard G Krebs :
It's absolutely no different than sitting in a food court under a tall office building or at the local mall where *everyone* is talking on a cellphone while choking down a burger and fries. The fact that you're traveling at 1000 Kph while talking has nothing to do with it.
I completely disagree with your statement here. It is absolutely different than sitting in a food court. In a food court if you don't appreciate the person next to you talking loudly into their phone, get up and move. In an airplane if you don't like the person next to you talking on their phone... tough shit you're stuck for 7 more hours. I fly from Hawaii to the mainland several times per year, a long flight next to a loud person is just torture. Whether it be snoring, crying, coughing, sneezing, or loud conversations...its simply annoying. |
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