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Darth Vulgar
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XPS 730 Aluminum

I just bought this XPS 730 for $4836 Did I get ripped? Tell me what ya think of the system.

Intel Core2 Extreme processor QX9650 (3.00GHz) w/Quad Core Technology and 12MB cache
Aluminum with Clearcoat Chassis
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard with USB Hub
SINGLE CARD:1024MB nVidia GeForce 9800 GX2
1TB SATA 2 Hard Drive 7200RPM
Dell 19 in 1 Media Reader with Bluetooth 2.0
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate, English
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Internet Search and Portal
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McAfee Security Center 15-month
Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student Edition
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Soft Contracts - Banctec
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XPS Specialized Support, DHS
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ChiTang
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said by Darth Vulgar See Profile :

I just bought this XPS 730 for $4836 Did I get ripped?
You already bought it, it is a done deal.

said by Darth Vulgar See Profile :

Tell me what ya think of the system.
Nice system.
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signmeuptoo
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reply to Darth Vulgar
Wow, it cost as much as a good used car!!! Nice system, should serve you well, but I have to say, if you had built your own you'd having something maybe even nicer (?) for maybe less than 1/2 the money (maybe, I'd need to calculate, it's a rough estimate in my mind)!

Generally I would think it's better to ask before sinking the money down, but if you're happy and you're rich and can afford such extravagence, great!
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m8trix

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yup you got ripped of as most of that cost is from that added soft ware they throw in and additional warranty you got

you could of got something similar for $2500-3500 building your self and of better parts


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reply to Darth Vulgar
The thing is, I don't want to be negative or bum you out.

Me? I am very poor, $10 for me is a luxury even, no kidding, I rarely even have that much to spare each month. So that affects my perspective, the way that I see value. I grew up under parentage that was very forceful about self sufficiency and doing things yourself. Although I am neither, I've pulled myself up by the bootstraps several times in my life with little help and don't like to have other men or women do things like fix my car for me, so that affects why I said what I did.

Consider this:

You paid extra for added warranty, which is probably a good idea, but let's think about that for a second:

I am unclear here, but it seems like you bought a second year of coverage, so you have just two years on everything. Let's compare that to a build your own warranty picture:

If you build your own, and if you are careful about seeking only products with better warranties while still shopping for great prices (believe me it can be done easy enough, I've done my part to help people know ways to find hot deals here at DSLR for that matter, just ask!), you can get individual part warranties that are pretty damned good, look:

Many mainboards have 3 year warranty and I believe even some have lifetime (?)

Hard drives have a year to 5 years, Seagate provides 5, there are some with 3 years I believe too from other makers.

RAM, has very long warranties, IF you ONLY BUY Quality RAM, in fact, most quality brands offer LIFETIME warranty!

Video cards vary, but many have 3 years and a lot even have LIFETIME warranties for the first owner, I've even heard of transferable warranties.

Processors in RETAIL packages come with about 3 year warranties, last time I checked, at NO EXTRA CHARGE (all the above I've listed are for no extra charge).

Optical drives vary in warranty, but they are dirt cheap with the exception of HD/Bluray, and even those have dropped in price incredibly! Even just a one year warranty on a DVD burner for, say, $25 is a bargain compared to the markup with a factory built system.

Good Quality power supplies aren't cheap, but dollar for dollar they are much much better value wise and often performance wise than a factory included power supply. The single most important part of your modern computer is the quality of your power supply, and there is a LOT involved in this. Sadly, most noob like computer users are very unaware of the importance of the supply and why cheap ones are bad, they are bad in ways that people unfamiliar with electronics are unaware unless they read the forums and sites well.

Well, a real quality supply can carry 3, 5, maybe more, years of coverage, and, generally, if one goes out in, say, 2.5 years, you will get a newer, better unit in replacement. That sometimes happens with hard drives and other parts too, instant upgrade on warranty!

Cases: Cases vary, but you can easily get as good as factory or better, and the *quality* of aftermarket cases is so much nicer and fancier and cooler and feature filled than factory cases that it is incredibly rare anyone ever needing warranty work on a case today. On top of this, Some factory built systems and their cases can lead to loud/noisy computers and a nice aftermarket case can be exactly to your personal specs, or nearly so. Remember, you can have 6 quiet fans moving more air than one noisy one, and the system with 6 can be quieter too!

But what you won't get warranty wise:

No factory will reinstall your system for you.

No factory will come to your house (better clean the place first, heh!)

No factory will leave you safe from being exposed: When you send in a computer for service, anyone that touches that system, from the tech to any thief who might steal it en-route, can access your private data like credit card numbers off of your system.

Few factory systems come free of garbage software that can be a pain to remove, or worse, even impossible to remove without borking things.

Now:

Some guys come here and ask how people like their "new boxen" because they are proud of it and want to brag just a little. That's ok but it can backfire on them if they didn't buy smart or didn't buy well.

Nothing I am saying here is because I wish to rub salt in any wounds if there are any. My sole desire is to provide information that might help others in future purchases and choices. Let's put it this way: Even IF I was the winner in the Powerball drawing next week I would still not be inclined to buy my computers from a factory. I am just funny that way, for me it's tantamount to having another guy kiss my woman to have someone build for me, which makes me obviously a control freak or something. If I had a few million I might buy one or two factory systems for certain uses, maybe, but my gaming rigs would definitely be built by myself.

I owe a huge debt of gratitude to others here at DSLR for much of my knowledge, kudos to all of you out there!

Before buying, spend time here and other good forums and sites, that is ALWAYS my advice.

HTH

P.S.

My deepest abologies if anything I said ruffles feathers for anyone, it's just me, my perspective, my take on things, and my opinion, like any opinion, is a dime a dozen in value...
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reply to Darth Vulgar
You got bleeding edge technology and that's what you paid for. You could have saved probably 1/3 of the price going with components that were a bit older. The most important thing is "are you happy with the purchase?"

Lots of people bash on Dell but I've had great success with mine. The one I bought in 1999 is still in use as a kids computer (with upgrades, of course). The one I'm on now I bought in 2004 (with upgrades, of course) and it still handles most everything out there.

With that system you should get a good 4 to 5 years out of it before it becomes obsolete.

Would I pay that much for my next computer? No way. I don't worry about warranties, software or the ubber cool looking chassis. Could you have built it cheaper yourself? Most certainly. But what you've done is covered your butt for 3 years with the warranty and that cost adds to your system's premium.


Dareius
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join:2002-11-12
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reply to Darth Vulgar
You also have to consider that not everyone has the know how to build a PC from scratch.

I see this comment thrown around loosely from those who do know how to build a PC nearly blindfolded.

As long as the PC does what you expected it to do, then you got the value you paid for.


Khaos
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reply to Darth Vulgar
Intel Core 2 Extreme processor QX9650=$999.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···19115034

4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz=$178.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20220278

Logitech G15 keyboard=$89.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···23126034

GeForce 9800 GX2=$284.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14130338

1TB SATA 2 Hard Drive 7200RPM=$159.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22148274

Media Reader=$29.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20223072

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate, English=$179.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···32116493

You build it=$2000-2500

Dell ripoff=PRICELESS
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PeteC2
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reply to Darth Vulgar
It is to be sure a very, very nice system. As with others here, I've got to say the price is just awfully high for any computer at today's prices.

I will say however, that value to a great degree is in the eyes of the beholder. If spending nearly $5K on a computer doesn't phase you, there is nothing "wrong" with it, and you have a pretty kick-ass system...for about 6 months to a year.

That is my only real issue with it. High-tech stuff continues to move a too fast a pace to put premium bucks into much of anything, IMHO.

For example, look at those who spent $5K for a 46" plasma t.v. just a few years ago...and they did not even have a true HD tuner yet!

That is a great computer, but it will not be even "cutting edge" in as little as one year, and the same components will drop by 1/3 or more in price. Then, you will have a mega-expensive, decent but not state of the art system.
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reply to Darth Vulgar
For that price, I could have built 7 of the system I built last month. Not many games are clusterable, though, I suppose. But if that's what you want to spend your money on, more power to you.
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Darth Vulgar
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reply to m8trix
said by m8trix See Profile :

yup you got ripped of as most of that cost is from that added soft ware they throw in and additional warranty you got

you could of got something similar for $2500-3500 building your self and of better parts
I know i could have built my own for less money... I have the knowledge & skills to do it, i just don't have time to though.

I own and run a bar/tavern and it's like 24/7 most of the time.
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Darth Vulgar
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said by seaquake See Profile :

You got bleeding edge technology and that's what you paid for. You could have saved probably 1/3 of the price going with components that were a bit older. The most important thing is "are you happy with the purchase?"

Lots of people bash on Dell but I've had great success with mine. The one I bought in 1999 is still in use as a kids computer (with upgrades, of course). The one I'm on now I bought in 2004 (with upgrades, of course) and it still handles most everything out there.

With that system you should get a good 4 to 5 years out of it before it becomes obsolete.

Would I pay that much for my next computer? No way. I don't worry about warranties, software or the ubber cool looking chassis. Could you have built it cheaper yourself? Most certainly. But what you've done is covered your butt for 3 years with the warranty and that cost adds to your system's premium.
I still use my dell xps b933mhz w/128mb rdram i bought in august of 2000... which was, from what i remember at the time was bleeding edge technology. Heck i'm using it right now, but with alot, i mean alot of hd errors on the primary drive which i can't stand and i know i could replace but don't have time to, so i just bought a new bleeding edge technology computer, which will probably last me at least 5+ years maybe even longer if i take good care of it.

Btw: The warranty on the xps 730 that i have is standard, i didn't buy any extra warranty coverage.
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Darth Vulgar
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reply to Khaos
said by Khaos See Profile :

Intel Core 2 Extreme processor QX9650=$999.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···19115034

4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz=$178.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20220278

Logitech G15 keyboard=$89.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···23126034

GeForce 9800 GX2=$284.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14130338

1TB SATA 2 Hard Drive 7200RPM=$159.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22148274

Media Reader=$29.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20223072

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate, English=$179.99
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···32116493

You build it=$2000-2500

Dell ripoff=PRICELESS
Hey you forgot the monitor!

The Dell 2709W 27" UltraSharp Widescreen Digital Flat Panel was $999 plus ny tax.

I don't know why i bought it when i have a sony xbr4 46" lcd (not bragging or anything) in my living room, but then again the computer is going in my office.
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Darth Vulgar
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said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

Wow, it cost as much as a good used car!!! Nice system, should serve you well, but I have to say, if you had built your own you'd having something maybe even nicer (?) for maybe less than 1/2 the money (maybe, I'd need to calculate, it's a rough estimate in my mind)!

Generally I would think it's better to ask before sinking the money down, but if you're happy and you're rich and can afford such extravagence, great!
I am happy but i'm not rich... i'd say i'm comfortable.
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Darth Vulgar
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said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

The thing is, I don't want to be negative or bum you out.

Me? I am very poor, $10 for me is a luxury even, no kidding, I rarely even have that much to spare each month. So that affects my perspective, the way that I see value. I grew up under parentage that was very forceful about self sufficiency and doing things yourself. Although I am neither, I've pulled myself up by the bootstraps several times in my life with little help and don't like to have other men or women do things like fix my car for me, so that affects why I said what I did.

Consider this:

You paid extra for added warranty, which is probably a good idea, but let's think about that for a second:

I am unclear here, but it seems like you bought a second year of coverage, so you have just two years on everything. Let's compare that to a build your own warranty picture:

If you build your own, and if you are careful about seeking only products with better warranties while still shopping for great prices (believe me it can be done easy enough, I've done my part to help people know ways to find hot deals here at DSLR for that matter, just ask!), you can get individual part warranties that are pretty damned good, look:

Many mainboards have 3 year warranty and I believe even some have lifetime (?)

Hard drives have a year to 5 years, Seagate provides 5, there are some with 3 years I believe too from other makers.

RAM, has very long warranties, IF you ONLY BUY Quality RAM, in fact, most quality brands offer LIFETIME warranty!

Video cards vary, but many have 3 years and a lot even have LIFETIME warranties for the first owner, I've even heard of transferable warranties.

Processors in RETAIL packages come with about 3 year warranties, last time I checked, at NO EXTRA CHARGE (all the above I've listed are for no extra charge).

Optical drives vary in warranty, but they are dirt cheap with the exception of HD/Bluray, and even those have dropped in price incredibly! Even just a one year warranty on a DVD burner for, say, $25 is a bargain compared to the markup with a factory built system.

Good Quality power supplies aren't cheap, but dollar for dollar they are much much better value wise and often performance wise than a factory included power supply. The single most important part of your modern computer is the quality of your power supply, and there is a LOT involved in this. Sadly, most noob like computer users are very unaware of the importance of the supply and why cheap ones are bad, they are bad in ways that people unfamiliar with electronics are unaware unless they read the forums and sites well.

Well, a real quality supply can carry 3, 5, maybe more, years of coverage, and, generally, if one goes out in, say, 2.5 years, you will get a newer, better unit in replacement. That sometimes happens with hard drives and other parts too, instant upgrade on warranty!

Cases: Cases vary, but you can easily get as good as factory or better, and the *quality* of aftermarket cases is so much nicer and fancier and cooler and feature filled than factory cases that it is incredibly rare anyone ever needing warranty work on a case today. On top of this, Some factory built systems and their cases can lead to loud/noisy computers and a nice aftermarket case can be exactly to your personal specs, or nearly so. Remember, you can have 6 quiet fans moving more air than one noisy one, and the system with 6 can be quieter too!

But what you won't get warranty wise:

No factory will reinstall your system for you.

No factory will come to your house (better clean the place first, heh!)

No factory will leave you safe from being exposed: When you send in a computer for service, anyone that touches that system, from the tech to any thief who might steal it en-route, can access your private data like credit card numbers off of your system.

Few factory systems come free of garbage software that can be a pain to remove, or worse, even impossible to remove without borking things.

Now:

Some guys come here and ask how people like their "new boxen" because they are proud of it and want to brag just a little. That's ok but it can backfire on them if they didn't buy smart or didn't buy well.

Nothing I am saying here is because I wish to rub salt in any wounds if there are any. My sole desire is to provide information that might help others in future purchases and choices. Let's put it this way: Even IF I was the winner in the Powerball drawing next week I would still not be inclined to buy my computers from a factory. I am just funny that way, for me it's tantamount to having another guy kiss my woman to have someone build for me, which makes me obviously a control freak or something. If I had a few million I might buy one or two factory systems for certain uses, maybe, but my gaming rigs would definitely be built by myself.

I owe a huge debt of gratitude to others here at DSLR for much of my knowledge, kudos to all of you out there!

Before buying, spend time here and other good forums and sites, that is ALWAYS my advice.

HTH

P.S.

My deepest abologies if anything I said ruffles feathers for anyone, it's just me, my perspective, my take on things, and my opinion, like any opinion, is a dime a dozen in value...
I respect your honesty and your opinion.

That's why i posted this up, so i can get people's opinion on the system.
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Darth Vulgar
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reply to PeteC2
said by PeteC2 See Profile :

It is to be sure a very, very nice system. As with others here, I've got to say the price is just awfully high for any computer at today's prices.

I will say however, that value to a great degree is in the eyes of the beholder. If spending nearly $5K on a computer doesn't phase you, there is nothing "wrong" with it, and you have a pretty kick-ass system...for about 6 months to a year.

That is my only real issue with it. High-tech stuff continues to move a too fast a pace to put premium bucks into much of anything, IMHO.

For example, look at those who spent $5K for a 46" plasma t.v. just a few years ago...and they did not even have a true HD tuner yet!

That is a great computer, but it will not be even "cutting edge" in as little as one year, and the same components will drop by 1/3 or more in price. Then, you will have a mega-expensive, decent but not state of the art system.
I totally agree dewd.
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Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY

reply to Darth Vulgar
It’s a nice system but I personally would have waited for Intel Nehalem LGA 1366 processors and X58 motherboards in Q4 of this year.

I plan to build a Nehalem based system later this year and estimate it wont cost more then a ~$1000. I was about to buy an OCZ 600W PSU and Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM for use on my current system of which I can use later on the new system. If I do that then all I need is the CPU and motherboard which will probably only cost about ~$650 for entry level Nehalem (~$300) and entry level X58 board (~$350).

I think the architecture and performance of Nehalem will be worth waiting for.
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