Bobcat
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Who downloads an average of 8 GB per day? That's 6 to 12 pirated XviD movies a day! |
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said by Bobcat  :Who downloads an average of 8 GB per day? That's 6 to 12 pirated XviD movies a day! Or 1 1080p movie. |
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IM1811
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That's the problem. Uninformed comments like this.
My typical "day" at home may include 1-4 full length movie downloads via Roku and\or Xbox360. Possibly a game or 2 downloaded on the 360, as well as a couple of South Park HD episodes. I also LOVE my ITUNES, try to back-up my files on a regular basis, and I may watch a little Megarotic from time to time. |
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That's the point. The cap RIGHT NOW is quite reasonable, but there is no promise of a raise in that cap. This fall will see a huge boost with the Xbox 360 upgrade to include Netflix streaming, 1080p movie downloads from Dish (and maybe DirecTV), and new fall shows in "HD" streamed online. In the next year or so, you will see more and more high quality video streaming like Hulu and Youtube HD.
The cap is fine now, but they will need to reasonably increase it as demand increases. And Comcast (hell... any cable company) is not known for being reasonable.
On top of that, they just added a HUUUGE bullet point for FiOS's marketing department. |
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said by IM1811 :That's the problem. Uninformed comments like this. My typical "day" at home may include 1-4 full length movie downloads via Roku and\or Xbox360. Possibly a game or 2 downloaded on the 360, as well as a couple of South Park HD episodes. I also LOVE my ITUNES, try to back-up my files on a regular basis, and I may watch a little Megarotic from time to time. Do me a favor, think before you post. You are not an average user and that is who Comcast is targeting. They are painting with as large a brush as they can. In this case, 250GB covers most of the canvas.
You may be an average user in 5-10 years, but right now you're not.
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said by IM1811 :That's the problem. Uninformed comments like this. My typical "day" at home may include 1-4 full length movie downloads via Roku and\or Xbox360. Possibly a game or 2 downloaded on the 360, as well as a couple of South Park HD episodes. I also LOVE my ITUNES, try to back-up my files on a regular basis, and I may watch a little Megarotic from time to time. And how do you find time to watch everything you are downloading?
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said by Matt :You are not an average user and that is who Comcast is targeting. They are painting with as large a brush as they can. In this case, 250GB covers most of the canvas. You may be an average user in 5-10 years, but right now you're not. 5-10 years is a concern to me. Typical user bandwidth consumption tends to double every 24 months or so. A static bandwidth cap is a cap on our future.
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ThatWillTeachEm
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That does it. I'm going to get a T3 installed and split the cost with 2 or 3 neighbors. Anyone know how much a T3 costs?  |
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said by funchords :said by Matt :You are not an average user and that is who Comcast is targeting. They are painting with as large a brush as they can. In this case, 250GB covers most of the canvas. You may be an average user in 5-10 years, but right now you're not. 5-10 years is a concern to me. Typical user bandwidth consumption tends to double every 24 months or so. A static bandwidth cap is a cap on our future. Which is why I advocate the review and increase of caps yearly. I've stated as much numerous times. I don't like caps, but I think 250GB is very generous at the moment. There must be controls in place for yearly reviews and FREE increases however. So far the Cable Co's have been good about free speed increases, so I (maybe naively) believe they will extend that practice to monthly caps as well.
I was referring to the amount of usage the OP stated as well as the type. An average user doesn't download 1-4 movies a day, along with 1-2 games, much less all the other stuff he mentions. There simply aren't enough hours in the day for a single individual to download and watch/play all that content PER DAY. A family? Sure, but in the context of the OPs post, he is not an average user if he downloads that much (legal) content per day.
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said by ThatWillTeachEm :That does it. I'm going to get a T3 installed and split the cost with 2 or 3 neighbors. Anyone know how much a T3 costs? About $20k/month, plus or minus.
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(MattE, I think you and I agree more than disagree.) said by Matt :An average user doesn't download 1-4 movies a day, along with 1-2 games, much less all the other stuff he mentions. There simply aren't enough hours in the day for a single individual to download and watch/play all that content PER DAY. A family? Sure, but in the context of the OPs post, he is not an average user if he downloads that much (legal) content per day. We have a medium for the "average user," and its television. TV is a neatly packaged, inoffensive information medium intended for Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public.
The Internet, on the other hand, is an open system where each individual decides what they want to read, say, or do.
Taking the Internet and packaging it so that only serves the average "surfer" is a disservice to leadership and innovation. It's not the Internet if it prefers X over Y, otherwise Y could never gain enough market share to win over X. This MUST remain true no matter how great X is or how bad Y is. The users, not the ISP, must decide. Otherwise, it's simply not the Internet.
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Bobcat
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said by IM1811 :That's the problem. Uninformed comments like this. My typical "day" at home may include 1-4 full length movie downloads via Roku and\or Xbox360. Possibly a game or 2 downloaded on the 360, as well as a couple of South Park HD episodes. I also LOVE my ITUNES, try to back-up my files on a regular basis, and I may watch a little Megarotic from time to time. Then it's obvious that Comcast does not meet your needs, and you should take your business elsewhere.
250 GB per month is more than adequate for the vast majority of Comcast's customers. |
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burgermeister
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Looks like this person is going to have to find some more neighbors! |
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IM1811
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In response to some questions about my post above:
My 'typical day' is exactly like I said. ITunes, Ruku, Xbox360, WebSite Management as well as Megarotic(or Hulu depending on my mood). I have 3 HD tv's, all hooked via the 360, and I play COD4 and Halo3 online multiplayer.
I have a family, and that's important when speaking about 'typical' use. Everyone should realize that if you allow the Cable Companies to do this with the data today, it will change the way online advertisers, producers, and jobbers 'perceive' their ROI. If Mom tells you 'No Downloads', that's going to go a long way in killing the online business, trust me.
In closing, I was simply pointing out to Bobcat that his association of 'High Bandwidth' users and 'Pirating Content' is simply a crock of 'Comcrap'. The cable companies are begining to charge 'By the Byte' in an attempt to kill the fledging 'on demand' business so all those advertising dollars go into THE BROADCAST TELEVISION market, not the ONLINE market.
PS. At work, I use Fios business, 20-5 w/ 4 ip addresses, at a cost of $100 per month. That replaced a Verizon full T1 that cost $600 per month.
At home,I pay for unlimited data with Verizon, 20-20 tier. No caps, throttling, or DPI.
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Bobcat
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1 edit | So you're complaining about Comcast's caps even though you're not a Comcast Internet customer. |
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said by Bobcat :Who downloads an average of 8 GB per day? That's 6 to 12 pirated XviD movies a day!
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said by TKJunkMail :said by IM1811 :That's the problem. Uninformed comments like this. My typical "day" at home may include 1-4 full length movie downloads via Roku and\or Xbox360. Possibly a game or 2 downloaded on the 360, as well as a couple of South Park HD episodes. I also LOVE my ITUNES, try to back-up my files on a regular basis, and I may watch a little Megarotic from time to time. And how do you find time to watch everything you are downloading? This is not directed at the OP, but he reminds me of several old friends of mine. They would simply download anything they could get a hold of, whether they were going to use it or not, and simply burn it off to DVD, "Just in case." Movies, apps, games, porn ... literally anything. They would keep their connections maxed out 24x7 and they (legally or illegally) only used 1% of what they downloaded. I really think they are just modern day kleptomaniacs.
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funchords
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| said by Matt :This is not directed at the OP, but he reminds me of several old friends of mine. They would simply download anything they could get a hold of, whether they were going to use it or not, and simply burn it off to DVD, "Just in case." Movies, apps, games, porn ... literally anything. They would keep their connections maxed out 24x7 and they (legally or illegally) only used 1% of what they downloaded. I really think they are just modern day kleptomaniacs. I've observed this as well. I attribute it to hoarding, but your kleptomaniac thought actually fishtails nicely.
- Not wanted or needed for personal use or conversion (money), nor for retaliation or other malicious intent.
- Despite those factors, a sense of want before and fulfillment when accomplished.
I don't know if you're right, I'm right, or if it's a mish-mash of both, or something else.
Even though legitimate P2P use is on the rise, overall P2P use is dropping while web surfing and video streaming are increasing. iTunes is doing very well, as are full-episode TV sites. If legitimate availability of content is what is driving infringing P2P use downward, that would tend to suggest hoarding was the root cause over kleptomania.
Kleptos usually also have some other associated disorder (but who doesn't these days?)
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