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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to pianotech
Re: Bandwidth Limits - All discussion here said by pianotech:When you think about it, every other commodity or utility we buy is metered. Water, natural gas, oil, gasoline, electricity, cell phone minutes.... Why do we expect bandwidth to be different? Because, at this point in time, HSI is a luxury.
When it does become a utility, expect metered billing.
My bill will be way less than most other people, I almost look forward to it. 
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | said by dadkins:Because, at this point in time, HSI is a luxury. When it does become a utility, expect metered billing. You brought that up in one of the now-closed threads. I disagree with you on the "utility" designation (I think it is), but agree with you that it's a "luxury." In my non-authoritative single-perspective value set, it's about the same as POTS service. And increasing affordable access to broadband is a federal priority, in lip-service if not also in fact.
In that prior message, I gave the example of a street-lighting district. In that example, the prices are fixed. Being a utility doesn't require metered billing. It doesn't make sense to meter street lights.
For certain, technology will continue to get faster, or cheaper, or both. Hopefully that's not debatable. Our various appetites for it might seem like an equalizing factor, but they're volatile between us. They fluctuate among users as gaming gets quite a bit more dynamic, video moves back and forth between streaming and "burst-and-store" over the years, parents monitor their kids by watching live AV streams from devices attached to their clothing, and who knows what else.
I think for that reason alone, this debate will continue. Those that don't use a lot right now will use a lot 5 years from now, and vice versa. Right now, the streetlights are on and I'm paying for them, but someone else is making greater use of them than I am.
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 pianotechPianotechPremium
join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA
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said by dadkins:said by pianotech:When you think about it, every other commodity or utility we buy is metered. Water, natural gas, oil, gasoline, electricity, cell phone minutes.... Why do we expect bandwidth to be different? Because, at this point in time, HSI is a luxury. I used to think that, but I'd have to respectfully disagree now. High speed internet is definitely a necessity now. Schools, libraries, hospitals, fire departments, government agencies, banks, Homeland Security, Amber Alert system, banks, etc etc etc all depend on this commodity we call bandwidth now. | |
dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to funchords
The Street Lights can and do use a finite amount of power that is fairly consistent.
Since there isn't an A/C unit or clothes dryer that may get switched on to the same paid circuit as the street lights, the bill is set to a nominal charge - it doesn't vary by much, if at all.
Bad example, sorry my friend.
Me - I use 30-35GB per month - this can vary on a whim.
I have gone days and even weeks without switching on a computer - not a utility.
Power? Of course!
Water? I showered and made coffee - so yeah.
Internet? Nope!
Moms has no interest in the internet.
Moms does use power and water.
Many people don't even have dialup - or own any internet capable device.
It's available more than likely but not necessary.
If you treat it as a utility, that's your choice.
It is not a utility.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to pianotech
said by pianotech:said by dadkins:said by pianotech:When you think about it, every other commodity or utility we buy is metered. Water, natural gas, oil, gasoline, electricity, cell phone minutes.... Why do we expect bandwidth to be different? Because, at this point in time, HSI is a luxury. I used to think that, but I'd have to respectfully disagree now. High speed internet is definitely a necessity now. Schools, libraries, hospitals, fire departments, government agencies, banks, Homeland Security, Amber Alert system, banks, etc etc etc all depend on this commodity we call bandwidth now. Residential broadband is a luxury.
Schools and the like have had a need for communications longer than Joe Six Pack.
Comcast HSI is a residential service.
It is not a utility for homes. Sorry!
Maybe someday, but not at this point in time.
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:I have gone days and even weeks without switching on a computer - not a utility. Power? Of course! Water? I showered and made coffee - so yeah. Internet? Nope! Moms has no interest in the internet. Moms does use power and water. If you treat it as a utility, that's your choice. It is not a utility. I agree with you but a survey by the Pew Internet & American Life Project group says that a majority of people think internet access should be a human right.
»www.informationweek.com/news/int···Internet
Sixty-six percent of Internet stakeholders from government, industry, and society at large favor the establishment of a global Internet Bill of Rights, according to a Pew Internet & American Life Project survey. Key rights granted under the global Internet Bill of Rights would be freedom of information, freedom of expression, and the right of people to have affordable access.
»www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/predicti···RVEY.pdf
Socialism here we come. 
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Yeah, there are a few hurdles and speed-bumps to clear before it can be considered a utility or a right.
Internet and High Speed Internet were around for a while - I had no interest in it - no *NEED* for it.
I now use it for a distraction, even entertainment.
A utility? Not exactly.
If I were still able and had a bike, I wouldn't *need* a computer or internet.
I would still need that water and power though.
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 JohkalCool CatPremium,MVM
join:2002-11-13
Happy Valley
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·Comcast
| Absolutely correct; Internet is not a utility.
What do I do with my internet access:
Pay bills through my bank
Buy items from retailers
E-mail
Surf
Help on BBR
What would I do if I didn't have internet access:
Write checks to pay bills
Go to the retailer's stores
Use a phone to call the people, write letters, TXT MSG
Read a book, take a walk, swim, visit more friends, etc
As for helping with BBR; oh well, you're on your own
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said by dadkins:A utility? Not exactly. If I were still able and had a bike, I wouldn't *need* a computer or internet. I would still need that water and power though. If one were going to be precise, electricity is not exactly something that is REQUIRED for life. The Amish get along quite well without it. And yet electricity is widely considered to be a "utility".
Is electricity a luxury or a necessity.? | |
dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
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3 edits | said by RichATL :said by dadkins:A utility? Not exactly. If I were still able and had a bike, I wouldn't *need* a computer or internet. I would still need that water and power though. If one were going to be precise, electricity is not exactly something that is REQUIRED for life. The Amish get along quite well without it. And yet electricity is widely considered to be a "utility". Is electricity a luxury or a necessity.? Another bad example.
The Amish are a small community.
The Amish, some of them at least, have made a choice to not use electricity.
Some Amish communities use trucks.
Trucks use electricity to run, right?
Some Amish do use and rely on electricity.
»pittsburgh.about.com/cs/pennsylv···sh_2.htm
" Electricity is sometimes used in certain situations, such as electric fences for cattle, flashing electric lights on buggies, and heating homes. Windmills are often used as a source of naturally generated electric power in such instances. It is also not unusual to see Amish using such 20th-century technologies as inline skates, disposable diapers and gas barbecue grills, because they are not specifically prohibited by the Ordnung. "
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| The point is that you can get along in life without electricity, even if YOU think it is a necessity and would categorize it as a utility. | |
dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
1 edit | It's not that *I* categorize it - I'm nobody!
*THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities.
Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it?
You can dig a well, so much for water, right?
Is that on me too? 
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| said by dadkins:It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path.
By the way...if you are nobody...and we all know that nobody's perfect...does that make you perfect...?...  | |
JohkalCool CatPremium,MVM
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Happy Valley
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1 edit | said by RichATL :said by dadkins:It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path. dadkins  already stated this!
About »Re: Bandwidth Limits - All discussion here
"Comcast HSI is a residential service.
It is not a utility for homes. Sorry!
Maybe someday, but not at this point in time."
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
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1 edit | reply to RichATL
said by RichATL :said by dadkins:It's not that *I* catagorize it - I'm nobody! *THEY*, the city municipalities, the Government, have classified water and electricity as utilities. Remember, if *I*, the nobody, claims that internet is a utility, that doesn't make it so, does it? You can dig a well, so much for water, right? Is that on me too? You are certainly arguing as though internet service should not be categorized as a utility. Somewhere along the way, electricity went from being a luxury to being a necessity (ie utility). Internet service will follow the same path.By the way...if you are nobody...and we all know that nobody's perfect...does that make you perfect...?... LMAO!
I never said that Internet shouldn't be classified as a utility - re read *ALL* of my posts.
I stated that it is NOT a utility. Simply because it has not been deemed as one by the powers that be.
I look forward to Internet being a utility!
At This Time, it is not.
Was never my decision, was it?
Tell me, how long was electricity around before *THEY* decided to label it as a utility?
Me? Perfect? F*** no! No one is! No one ever has been either.
Facts are facts though... Someone, somewhere(not me!) classified our utilities *AS* utilities.
When *THEY* label internet as a utility, then I suppose it will be.
Can you, or anyone else, show me where the Government has classified internet as a utility?
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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quote:
The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania.
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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1 edit | reply to Johkal
said by Johkal:Absolutely correct; Internet is not a utility. What do I do with my internet access:Pay bills through my bank Buy items from retailers E-mail Surf Help on BBR What would I do if I didn't have internet access:Write checks to pay bills Go to the retailer's stores Use a phone to call the people, write letters, TXT MSG Read a book, take a walk, swim, visit more friends, etc As for helping with BBR; oh well, you're on your own I'm not really following your argument. If I understand correctly, you seem to be saying that Internet access is not a utility since you can find other ways to do thing you otherwise do on it.
Using that logic, municipal water is not a utility because you can dig a well or buy bottled water or drink Coke. Electricity is not a utility because you can generate your own.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to pianotech
said by pianotech: quote:
The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania. You obviously are not from the rest of the planet.
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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| said by dadkins:said by pianotech: quote:
The Amish are a small community.
You obviously are not from Pennsylvania. You obviously are not from the rest of the planet. Good, we've established that you are not from where I am from, and I am not from where you are from.
Where I am from the Amish are a very large community. Truly statewide. On any given day driving through the state you will encounter many Amish buggies and farms. Just point out to you that just because your experience says that the Amish are a small community, I would say that there often is more to an issue than your experience of it. | |
pianotechPianotechPremium
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New Castle, PA | reply to dadkins
But we are getting way off course. I still have not heard a good reason why net users shouldn't be charged according to the bandwidth they use.
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