RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
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1 edit | Light speed in Utah now????
Only problem is can't tell where since you have to have flash to see it.
»enews.qwest.com/W0RT01AE17465DC5···8A711111
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»enews.qwest.com/W0RT01AE1767ADC5···8A711111
supposedly tell about it. Anyone know anything about it?
Flash sucks with the garbage that comes with it. Yes, I know there are ways to turn it on and off and add-ons that supposedly block the (brown stuff that get flushed when we deposit it in the porcelain throne), but any group that forces you to use flash just to get some data (embedded PDF files someone did on another site????) should be put out of business.
Edit: The links are from an email sent to me by Qwest, at least it looks like other Qwest emails I have received.
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skriefal
join:2002-12-26
Sandy, UT
| Yes, I've had the 12Mbps service for a few weeks. There was a 3-day outage that was just resolved yesterday, but otherwise it's worked well.
The $46.99/mo price is misleading. That price applies only if you pay Qwest $29.99/mo for an overpriced voice line, and IIRC also requires that you agree to a 2-year contract. If you don't, the monthly rate will be $61.99 or thereabouts. |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
·XMission
| Thanks, I could not read the links since we do not have flash. Does not sound very good of a deal. Tried to find an email address to send Qwest a note on it, but they are playing ostrich and hiding their addresses.
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skriefal
join:2002-12-26
Sandy, UT | Not that good of a deal? Perhaps not, but the only competition is from Comcast. So we're unlikely to see good deals anytime soon. |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
VIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to RayW
Calling this service "Fiber Optic Technology" is one of the most intentionally deceptive marketing campaigns I have ever seen from a major retailer. |
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freemyinternet
@qwest.net | reply to RayW
Perhaps you are just mad since they won't let you resell it?
Comcast uses fiber optics with coax access... Qwest uses fiber optics with copper twisted pair access...
Every company will use the cool word of the day to market... |
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skriefal
join:2002-12-26
Sandy, UT
1 edit | reply to woodward
I've come to expect all (okay... most) marketing campaigns to be misleading and deceptive. Truth in advertising is a dead concept. |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
VIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| reply to freemyinternet
said by freemyinternet :
Perhaps you are just mad since they won't let you resell it? No.
Locally, there is a lot of direct competition between Qwest and the UTOPIA FTTN municipal network, which is a vastly superior service that brings fiber right into your home.
Elsewhere in the country, Verizon is garnering mass praise for FiOS.
In contrast, Qwest is making the most minimal investment to offer the slightest upgrade, and investing heavily in litigation to obstruct superior municipal infrastructure.
And this new marketing effort Qwest pretends "We do fiber too" when, in fact, they do not. It is one of the most intellectually dishonest campaigns I have ever seen. |
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freemyinternet
@qwest.net
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I am not defending Qwest per se ... and I would DIE to get rid of my 40ms first hop....
I am defending capital markets. Qwest doesn't have the deepest pocket's and also has the sparsest geography of any large telco. »www.time.com/time/covers/2006103···we_live/
I'd love to hear how you would run it differently.. $9B on FIoS? nope. FTTH in any large non-cherry picked deployment? Nope. What you would do is get the best speeds to as many people given your balance sheet. There's no government money to waste... voters can change that if they want - but seem to have been very happy with corporations so far.
Utopia is barely afloat(as are most of the country's muni wifi services)... and from the latest news here on it Xmission is a reseller of it and pissed at Qwest for delaying? That and they won't let you resell FTTN now.. that is why I take what you say with a grain of salt.
I believe you'd be 100% behind Qwest if you could resell FTTN.
"Qwest Brings a Knife To a Utah Gun Fight":
"The suit resulted a costly eighteen month delay in deployment of the wholesale service, which, through resellers like XMission, MStar and even AT&T, offers state residents symmetrical fiber connections for a fraction of the cost of slower Qwest service."
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
·Qwest.net
| reply to woodward
said by woodward  :said by freemyinternet :
Perhaps you are just mad since they won't let you resell it? No. Locally, there is a lot of direct competition between Qwest and the UTOPIA FTTN municipal network, which is a vastly superior service that brings fiber right into your home. Elsewhere in the country, Verizon is garnering mass praise for FiOS. In contrast, Qwest is making the most minimal investment to offer the slightest upgrade, and investing heavily in litigation to obstruct superior municipal infrastructure. And this new marketing effort Qwest pretends "We do fiber too" when, in fact, they do not. It is one of the most intellectually dishonest campaigns I have ever seen. A few points...
There is direct competition which, I understand, Utopia is loosing to Qwest and Comcast. One person's 'vastly superior service' is another persons boondogle. Between overage caps and promotional pricing, Utopia is not, in some ways, superior (not everyone cares about 40ms for gaming, tho I do).
As for the FTTN upgrade path, has noone here figured out that Qwest, being the smallest baby bell, is going to be the last one out with new residential product? Much of this has to do with pricing. Qwest finally started rolling out DSL on a massive basis when the price per port really dropped about 8-10 years ago. The price point for the FTTN gear Qwest is using dropped pretty significantly over the last couple of years. This same equipment can be used for a FTTH build out when those prices drop. And with the way copper prices are heading, you might see more last mile fiber based on pricing.
And when you beat up Qwest over it's marketing of 'fiber optic technology', why not Comcast? Hell, they pull that number in Spokane, too. And while you may call it deceptive, it's not inaccurate. |
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woodward
XMission Broadband
VIP
join:2000-12-28
Salt Lake City, UT
| reply to RayW
Hold up, people. I never criticized Qwest for improving their broadband infrastructure. I criticized it for doing so only minimally and then hiding that shortcoming by pretending its something it is not.
We are not just "resellers" of UTOPIA fiber, we are advocates of municipal fiber everywhere. You can knock municipal infrastructure all you want, but a fiber drop will beat the living hell out of any flavor of DSL now and in perpetuity. That is simply inarguable.
Qwest knows this, too, which is why in their advertising they are pretending this new service is a fiber drop when in reality the average consumer will only see a service improvement of a few Mbps over their existing ADSL and no upload increase.
As to "100% Qwest support", there is a reason my account here has been tagged VIP for nearly a decade, and it has to do with my support of Qwest DSL for both my users and any user of Qwest DSL in their entire footprint. But I call it like it is. |
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freemyinternet
@qwest.net
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Well I call it like I see it also - and my opionion was based on your past posts that you aren't happy you can't resell it (I think it was someone that wanted to upgrade speeds and keep you guys) I am not saying you haven't and aren't a stellor resource on DSL here etc etc.
I think we can all agree FTTH is better and likely all of US on THIS board would buy it..but would the 99.9% of other people? Again..without a state boondoggle...how would you spend $300M? And remember that's across 14 states not Utah. Do you cross 1,000,000 with FTTH or wire up FTTH to 50,000... Heck even Verizon is getting a little flack on FiOS
I am somewhat sick of everyone that hates big government and taxes and yet somehow wants companies to build without a business case for it.
"Qwest is spending $300 million (Verizon's spending $23 billion on FioS and AT&T's spending $6 billion U-Verse)"
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