nwrickert
sand groper
Premium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL | Encrypt everything
We need to move to an all-encrypted internet. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| Well, maybe, but think of it this way. Can the government come to your house and put some clips on your line and listen to your phone calls or better yet at the co? Not without a warrant however they do (not officially) do that once it hits the data/voice transport after your CO.
Can the NSA break your encryption, probably. Yes, I know the whole theoretical amount of time it takes someone to crack 128 bit encryption but if the government knows how are they going to tell you?
Really you cannot stop the government from listening in. You can stop them from prosecuting you for doing something wrong unless they had a warrant from the beginning.
Also, I think the technology already has you beat. Maybe you can get around it and I can but most people cannot. This means the major part of the internet traffic will be tracked, then the info (surfing habits, etc) will be sold. |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| ISP's as Pirates?
Everything that comes about as a direct result of my efforts is my creation; whether I copyright it or not. That includes my purchase and credit histories, things that indicate my personal interests, and anything I have openly or privately communicated.
Any company who profits on my creation
without paying me the royalties I am due
is pirating my created material.
As such, they are every bit as subject to RIAA style fines, as the folks I see accused of piracy here.
NV
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anony 101
@comcast.net | reply to nwrickert
Re: Encrypt everything
We need to move to an all-encrypted internet.
We're getting there. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to Noah Vail
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
You agreed to it, though. The ISP will send you the little slip attached to your bill informing you of the change to the terms of service, and by continuing to use the internet you agree to the change. After all, the company reserves the right to change these terms at any time. Best you can hope for is that if you're on contract the change will be enough to let you out. (And then you can go back to dialup, since all other broadband ISPs are also doing it!) |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to keyboard5684
Re: Encrypt everything
Probable Cause is required for anyone to tap your communications. You cannot turn on a tap, and filter the data for info and sell it. The ISP does not have probable cause, and thusly is tapping your data illegally.
An we're not talking about people doing bad things. They are tapping everyone, all of the time.
cw |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684  :Well, maybe, but think of it this way. Can the government come to your house and put some clips on your line and listen to your phone calls or better yet at the co? Not without a warrant however they do (not officially) do that once it hits the data/voice transport after your CO. A warrant? You never heard of the Patriot Act, did you? 
Local police needs a warrant. The government however, they don't need no stinking warrant. 
Can the NSA break your encryption, probably. Yes, I know the whole theoretical amount of time it takes someone to crack 128 bit encryption but if the government knows how are they going to tell you? We have long moved past 128 bit encryption. My company uses 1024 bit encryption, which requires a few million computers to run for a year or two to crack the code.
Terrorists use encryption to send their important messages, and they probably change RSA key just about every month or so, or right before any important communications.
Really you cannot stop the government from listening in. You can stop them from prosecuting you for doing something wrong unless they had a warrant from the beginning. Excactly. With the current Patriot Act, the NSA doesn't even need a warrant. If they think there is a slight possibility that you could have something to do with something slightly related to terrorism, even if you don't know it yourself (like donating to an orphanage in Syria, which in turn has given money to terrorists in the past - and now you are "connected"), and the NSA can just listen into your phone, cell phone, and internet connections, "just in case".
Also, I think the technology already has you beat. Maybe you can get around it and I can but most people cannot. This means the major part of the internet traffic will be tracked, then the info (surfing habits, etc) will be sold. Being a sysadmin, I can tell you that it is SO easy to put an e-mail tap on someone without the person knowing it and without even anyone else knowing about it but you. Your colleague sysadmin may be able to find it if they know where they are looking, but if you removed the tap before they look, no one will ever know.
I have the dignity and the respect for my employment to not do so, unless specifically asked by management (which I have been in the past), but there are sysadmins out there that do not have ethical standards. Word of the wise: Do not piss off your sysadmin. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to wentlanc
There is a difference between the Gov't and a private business' rights. |
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SillyRabbit
@tds.net
| reply to EPS
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
said by EPS :You agreed to it, though. The ISP will send you the little slip attached to your bill informing you of the change to the terms of service, and by continuing to use the internet you agree to the change. After all, the company reserves the right to change these terms at any time. Best you can hope for is that if you're on contract the change will be enough to let you out. (And then you can go back to dialup, since all other broadband ISPs are also doing it!) Many states do NOT allow you to agree to something like this just because they post it. It's kind of like an insurance comapny writing you a check and on the back it says " By cashing this check, you agree that this matter is settled.". It doesn't fly. You should have to actively agree to something like this. Nope, nope, nope. It's obvious you are on the dark side!!! |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | But that's how they propagate changes to the TOS already, isn't it?
I'm not sure what you mean by the "dark side", though... |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to keyboard5684
Re: Encrypt everything
If you're ot satisfied with 128-bit, try 256-bit encryption. It squares the amount of time needed to break the code, so you're probably safe... |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| reply to Noah Vail
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
said by Noah Vail :Everything that comes about as a direct result of my efforts is my creation; whether I copyright it or not. That includes my purchase and credit histories, things that indicate my personal interests, and anything I have openly or privately communicated. That's a pretty warped view of Copyright. By your logic, you would argue that you own the copyright to my reply to your post. I mean this post is a direct result of your effort of writing that crazy rant. |
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cho0b
join:2006-09-26
united state
| reply to maartena
Re: Encrypt everything
said by maartena :Terrorists use encryption to send their important messages, and they probably change RSA key just about every month or so, or right before any important communications. LOL, What terrorists? Is it the Al-Qaedas?! Or are you talking about the American government? I get the two confused so much.. |
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Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
Premium
join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL
clubs:
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to kontos
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
Warped but valid nonetheless. This is really how warped the concept of copyright has become, especially when it comes to the **AA's. And you have warped it one step further by saying that your work is now under NV's copyright. I believe his point was that your post would still be under your copyright, regardless of whether or not it is in response to another post.
Now THAT's twisted.
edit: Almost as twisted as the brand obfuscation going on as a result of the Olympics.  |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to kontos
said by kontos :That's a pretty warped view of Copyright. By your logic, you would argue that you own the copyright to my reply to your post. I mean this post is a direct result of your effort of writing that crazy rant. Your post would be better defined as a collaboration, as is this one. You are as due royalties as any columnist, lecturer or artist is.
That is, you are due royalties on the material that others have profited on. My expectations are more lenient than those who expect a royalty payment for copying a page from a music book for use in a free church production.
I guess to be more in harmony with those who profit from copyright laws, I could demand payment for any reproduction of a creation of mine.
NV
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to wentlanc
Re: Encrypt everything
said by wentlanc :Probable Cause is required for anyone to tap your communications. You cannot turn on a tap, and filter the data for info and sell it. The ISP does not have probable cause, and thusly is tapping your data illegally. Probable cause is a very weak standard. It is vague and nebulous and essentially allows pretty much any excuse that sounds even remotely reasonable for wiretapping. BTW - Judicial review is not necessary for "probable cause." Probable cause is nothing but an excuse to snoop by law enforcment for no other good reason than because they want to. |
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Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
Premium
join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Noah Vail
Re: ISP's as Pirates?
said by Noah Vail :I guess to be more in harmony with those who profit from copyright laws, I could demand payment for any reproduction of a creation of mine. Where do I send my 2 cents again? |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by Kylemaul :Where do I send my 2 cents again? Since I didn't provide my expressed, written permission for you to auto-quote me, I'm going to have to fine you $175,000 per word of infringement; against my undeniable calculations of lost income.
My attorney will be in touch.
NV
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