Search:  

 
 
   All ForumsHot TopicsGallery






how-to block ads


 
Forums » Broadband Policy: No, We Can't All Just Get Along » Karl is right
Search Topic:
Uniqs:
117
Share Topic:
RSS topic:
toggle:
flat / full
normal / watch
Post a:
Post a:
Therein lies the rub »
« From under the Banyan tree  
AuthorAll Replies

nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast

Karl is right

Karl is right when he says the incumbents and their lobbyists are playing to win.

they are not interested in the welfare of either consumers or the U.S. - they are interested in making as much money as possible, period. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any regulation (or lack thereof) that reduces the amount of money they make or forces them to spend more money than they desire.

the only way broadband in this country will get better is if there is real competition; the only way we will get real competition is if the government steps in to make it happen.

otherwise, we will continue to see slow rollouts of advanced services (fiber, VDSL, doscis 3.0), slowly increasing speeds and increasing prices.


TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast

said by nasadude See Profile :

the only way broadband in this country will get better is if there is real competition; the only way we will get real competition is if the government steps in to make it happen.
Yes to "competition is the key." And NO to the suggestion that government must make it happen. Government intervention won't make competition happen. All it will do is add another layer of cost with bureaucrats siphoning off their percentage of the action. And maybe switching the advantage to someone other than than current dominant players.
--
My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?


digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
49533

1 edit
You know, but choose to ignore as usual, that REAL broadband competition will never happen in the current environment.

spade

join:2003-08-09
Fresno, CA
reply to nasadude
when was the last time government helped a business it wasn't heavily involved in? altruistically?

guess i missed that one..

PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR

reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

And NO to the suggestion that government must make it happen.
Nonsense. Government always is essential to making it happen. Government provides a monetary system, so that value can be easily exchanged. Government enforces the rule of law (or is supposed to), so that contracts can be enforced (which makes entities willing to enter into contracts in the first place). Government controls access to resources owned by the American people that are needed by businesses (e.g., radio spectrum). In short, government sets the ground rules and provides the playing field and the tools in which competition takes place. It can do it badly, or do it well.

Now, as some have argued here, perhaps broadband isn't really very important. It's useful to provide access to porn, to allow college students to steal music, and not much else. It's not much more than a frivolous luxury. If that's the case, then BB policy isn't very important. If the only criteria used to set the rules is that which maximizes value to ISP shareholders, fine.

However, U.S. government policy, as defined by Congress in the 1996 Telecomm Act, says something different. Broadband is considered such a driver of growth and so imprtant to citizens, that it is U.S. policy that it made available to all, in a timely manner and at reasonable cost. Specifically, the FCC was tasked with seeing to it that this happens, and with tweaking the playing field to deal with any instances where market failure prevents that goal from being acheived for certain portions of the citizenry.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

reply to TKJunkMail
So tell us, who is going to make that happen? Over the last 100 years for telecom and a few decades for cable why has that not already happened?

Oh that's right... because we are dealing with a "resource" that is monopolistic by nature and that at best has a duopoly in major cities. The incumbents have had control of the transport for decades. They have control of regulation for the most part and are dominant in a field that is impossible for someone to enter into and truly compete with them.

Besides that I as a property owner have absolutely no desire to have multiple "carriers" come in and tear up my yard or string dozens of lines everytime they need to get their services to me or one of my neighbors. There should be one nationwide network, PERIOD. Everyone else should simply be service providers and that includes AT&T and Comcast if that is what they want.


huntml

join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ
reply to TKJunkMail
OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?


TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast


1 edit
said by huntml See Profile :

OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?
1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.

2nd, give smaller players a holiday from regulations, especially by state and local governments. No build out requirements; no reporting requirements; no extra taxes like USF, local sales taxes, etc until a company reaches a certain size.

--
My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?


huntml

join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ
·Comcast


1 edit
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by huntml See Profile :

OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?
1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.

2nd, give smaller players a holiday from regulations, especially by state and local governments. No build out requirements; no reporting requirements; no extra taxes like USF, local sales taxes, etc until a company reaches a certain size.

1. Certainly arguable.

2. Not a bad idea, but certainly to be lobbied hard against by the incumbents.

What happened to 3-5, TK? These were some very interesting ideas, and I was in the middle of replying to tell you I thought so when they evaporated.

Too far off the party line, maybe? Some of the things you proposed were things I think would help, but they aren't the kind of things I've ever seen put forward by the GOP. Restriction of localities' ability to refuse to allow easements? Patent reform? Really, TK.


funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype

reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.
Please say more about this competition that we have in most areas.
-
Forums » Broadband Policy: No, We Can't All Just Get AlongTherein lies the rub »
« From under the Banyan tree  


Friday, 27-Nov 05:39:06 Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Hosting by www.nac.net - DSL,Hosting & Co-lo | feedback | contact
over 10 years online! © 1999-2009 dslreports.com.
page compression OFF
Most commented news this week
· [115] Time Warner Cable Fires Broadside At Broadcasters
· [109] New AT&T Ad Campaign Hits Back At Verizon
· [95] Apple Joins AT&T Verizon Snark Fest
· [87] New Bill Takes Aim At Higher Verizon ETFs
· [70] TiVo Sees Record Customer Losses
· [63] In-Flight Internet Headed For Bumpy Landing?
· [56] Thanksgiving Open Thread
· [38] ICANN Slams DNS Redirection
· [36] Senators Want ACTA Made Public
· [35] Despite Billions In USF Fees, U.S. Libraries Lack Bandwidth
Most people now reading
· Newegg Black Friday Sale started [Users Find Hot Deals]
· Bell Response to PIPEDA Request [TekSavvy]
· 3.x Feral Druid - Bear Tanking Guide [World of Warcraft]
· Windows 7 boot manager editing questions [Microsoft Help]
· Slow speeds in the evenings [TekSavvy]
· Whats the big deal about being "Old School"....? [World of Warcraft]
· HOW-TO: QoS and Tomato (fixes "choppy voice") [MagicJack]
· Connecting to Google Voice Via SIP [VOIP Tech Chat]
· [Unlock] TUTORIAL: VONAGE WRTP54G/RTP300 WITH 5.01.04 [VOIP Tech Chat]
· Murdoch & Fox CEO Want '3 Strikes' Law in US (ACTA) [Security]