dadkins
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
said by chesler  :Dadkins: yes, NNTP and HTTP are protocols. Losing the source of the content that went into the NNTP pipe is more like losing Rhapsody or the SciFi channel. *Translation - no loss.
For those of us "old-farts" that did get into news... 2GB was then and is still now a waste of time!
Seriously, would any of you pay $7.99 for 2GB per month?
$19.99 - $24.99 for unlimited is a far better deal
If Comcast was offering unlimited then canceled it, I'd probably be pissed too. It's 2GB FFS!
Since it was 2GB, what's the fuss?
Because it was free?
TONS of free NGs out there! Problem solved, right? 
Y'all aren't losing anything of any intrinsic value.
Complaining about something that will not be coming back is a waste of your(and our) time.
It's gone! CYA! Bye Bye! No more! History! Dust in the Wind! Game Over!
said by chesler :(Hmm, I wonder if us old-farts who like Usenet also have an unusually high preference for analog TV? On a 19" lo-def set channel-lag is a bigger deal than extreme picture quality.) Uhm... not here! Usenet is fine! 2GB was a joke so good riddance!
Extreme PQ? Hello! Typing this on one of two BD laptops.
Yeah, my cable is Standard cable(analog) but I do get Clear QAM HDTV via a tuner I have.
The networks, locals, and PBS are HD.
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chesler
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Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
Dadkins: yes, NNTP and HTTP are protocols. Losing the source of the content that went into the NNTP pipe is more like losing Rhapsody or the SciFi channel.
Mardyron: re-agreed its age. It used to be all email and news (or BBS for those that swung that way). For some of us news is big enough part that we're pissing and moaning about it here.
I've got the options of Comcast, Verison FIOS, or RCN in my location, and unfortunately even if I have to pay $8 for my own Giganews, the other two seem to be worse, on both price and analog TV content. I snail-mailed Comcast on 9/18, mentioning our 24-month agreement. I haven't seen their response yet.
(Hmm, I wonder if us old-farts who like Usenet also have an unusually high preference for analog TV? On a 19" lo-def set channel-lag is a bigger deal than extreme picture quality.) |
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mardyron
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Well then you must have had really bad providers. I go back to the dial-up providers. Most had email & webspace. Only the lame one's like prodigy & AOL didn't until later on.
I will restate that, I agree it is an age based topic & that depending on your location, different packages were offered @ different rates. But quite a few offered the email & webspace. In comparison from Verizon to Comcast, the Verizon DSL offers unlimited newsgroups with many more (topics) compared to the limited Comcast.
As in any case. Comcast has removed it, they wont offer a credit. They don't even respond to the "SLOW" connection. I recently upgraded to the triple play & they screwed with my "Gamers Package" for speed. I have been lucky & getting 10-16/1, now I'm luck if i get 3-5/384. I pay the extra & they still have yet to correct their screw up.
I will be dropping them soon if it isn't corrected. The Digital box has been replaced 3 times in less than 25 days. The EMTA box had to be replaced due to the failure of the phone during a power outage (this was due to the idiots NOT putting the battery backup in it). |
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jaymz668
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Bloomington, IN
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said by CableTool :Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts? "hahahaha I doubt it." No, it was part of the base price, all the way back to @Home days. |
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dadkins
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1 edit | reply to axelrose
said by axelrose :If Newsgroups/Usenet access via our ISP is "an extra perk" then the WWW must also be considered an extra perk since the WWW came after Usenet. You have it backward. If Usenet is 'content' then the WWW is content. At this point I hope Comcast gets rid of FTP abilities as well. I hope Comcast strips everything down to just a basic WWW access point of services. Then no one should complain or demand a refund for those 'content' services. For more than $100 per month Comcast should be able to well afford Usenet server access. No, it is a different thing now than it was then.
Today, we get internet access.
Using that access, we can access Usenet.
Without internet access, you aren't going to connect to Usenet. 
$100 per month. Hmmm... I pay $52.95 per month, you must be on Home Networking or Business service.
FTP? You do know, FTP is merely a protocol - right?
Comcast is not going to start killing off a protocol. That's what started the whole BT fiasco - mucking with BT(also a protocol), Comcast was hung out to dry.
Look it up! Thanks!
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kenshell
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Did Comcast get it for free from Giganews?
said by CableTool :said by beerbum :so will Comcast be reducing our bills since the equivalent service from Giganews is $7.99 per month? Did your rate increase $7.99 when newsgroup access was added to accounts? "hahahaha I doubt it." Also when did Comcast raise CHSI prices? Now you have to pay $8.00 a month for service you were previously getting for free. Chances are you will not and many will not. |
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axelrose
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said by dadkins :You never viewed NG access as an extra perk... in actuality - it is. If Newsgroups/Usenet access via our ISP is "an extra perk" then the WWW must also be considered an extra perk since the WWW came after Usenet.
You have it backward.
If Usenet is 'content' then the WWW is content.
At this point I hope Comcast gets rid of FTP abilities as well. I hope Comcast strips everything down to just a basic WWW access point of services. Then no one should complain or demand a refund for those 'content' services.
For more than $100 per month Comcast should be able to well afford Usenet server access.
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dadkins
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2 edits | reply to rb00
Re-read your last post to me before the one I am responding to.
You apparently did not read the thread.
This is why I reposted the links for you.
You should have more tolerance as well friend - it *WAS* an added service and it didn't cost you or I anything.
So, it's going bye bye - nothing that you can do, is there?
Well, Thanks! Your posts have helped many here!
Now, if you're through, I will gladly help you get a new free newsgroup service.
It will be the same cost - NOTHING.
It might even endup faster and have a higher GB allowance.
Have a Great Afternoon! 
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Goober
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Naperville, IL | reply to chesler
I started back in those days as well. But, this is a discussion about internet access and Usenet. |
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rb00
join:2008-09-18
Houston, TX
1 edit | reply to dadkins
said by dadkins : I did read the whole thread before my first reply.
Your point all along is that people are losing something that is insignificant (to you) and hence everyone should feel the same way. My point from begin to end is that some people are losing something (the 2GB access to Newsgroup) that is meaningful to them, hence, it is understandable for them to vent.
Just because you and some others don't use the 2GB, it doesn't mean everyone don't use it. Several posters in this thread had already mentioned that they will miss those 2GB.
Have more tolerance in life. |
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chesler
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said by Goober :I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based. For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else. When I started there weren't any Interwebs. We had dialup to a public access Unix, and data traveled by UUCP.
I still like Usenet. If I didn't have a long-term agreement with Comcast I'd be bummed and look elsewhere to see if RCN or Verizon have better offers. (They might not, thems the breaks.) But I do have a 24-month agreement, so I'm not happy that midstream they took away two things that were part of why I accepted the agreement.
(- That IP belongs to my employer; I'm just borrowing it, not representing them.) |
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dadkins
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said by Goober :I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based. For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else. I then added usenet on my own. Next, I went to DSL. Internet only and I added my own Usenet. Next, I went to WOW cable. At the time, it was internet only. I added my own Usenet. I can't quite remember with Comcast, but I think it was 1GB when they inititally came to town here. I still had my own Usenet. Taking away Usenet from someone that's been at it as long as I have is a non-issue. For the younger ones, I suppose it feels like something is being taken away. More than likely!
Someone that came in to Comcast HSI recently, AFTER all the *added services* were in place and then get trashed "due to the declining popularity of Newsgroups...", Yeah!
Well, they were still added on to a rather plain service.
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Goober
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1 edit | reply to dadkins
I think that a lot of this disagreement is age-based.
For me, I started when Internet access meant dial up with nothing else. I then added usenet on my own. Next, I went to DSL. Internet only and I added my own Usenet. Next, I went to WOW cable. At the time, it was internet only. I added my own Usenet. I can't quite remember with Comcast, but I think it was 1GB when they inititally came to town here. I still had my own Usenet.
Taking away Usenet from someone that's been at it as long as I have is a non-issue. For the younger ones, I suppose it feels like something is being taken away. |
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dadkins
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1 edit | reply to mardyron
said by mardyron : quote:
Well technically the price you pay is for access to the internet. Anything else (email,usenet,free anti-virus) are just added features.
that is plain crap. It is a package deal. If you read their site it even pushes the AMOUNT of storage for email & webspace for a website. Including software for website creation. So it IS PART OF THE PRICE. But we all know they wont issue credits. Damn when you have an outage & 1 department tells you they will credit you have to follow up & force it or else they will rip you off. That goes for the TV/ISP/PHONE service. Not just 1 but all. I know different areas = different quality of service. Ok... what about years ago when there wasn't webspace?
No online storage?
No... anything?
They were added. 
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dadkins
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said by rb00 :said by dadkins :It's not great that Comcast is killing the NNTP freebie, but it is surely not as dramatic as some seem to be making it out to be ... Thank you for finally admitting it. Most here were merely pointing this out. Only a few are making a big deal out of it. There are just as many "cowboys" that call out all as whinners. Go back a few pages pal... I stated the same(or something to the same effect) pages ago.
Perhaps reading the thread before posting would be advantageous to looking more in touch. 
Page 7:
»Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
"No, wrong friend.
You and me and everyone else is losing out on 2GB per month filtered newsgroup access."
You apparently only read what you want to read.
I even linked you back to that post, 6 posts later, STILL on page 7:
»Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
"I have agreed(re-read this post):
»Re: The Comcast Newsgroups Service Discontinued
I call them as I see them, always have.
There is a saying that is older than either of us...
"If the shoe fits, wear it!"
Cowboy? Me? Not quite.
Realist? Sure!
Please re-read the thread. Thanks!
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mardyron
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quote:
Well technically the price you pay is for access to the internet. Anything else (email,usenet,free anti-virus) are just added features.
that is plain crap. It is a package deal. If you read their site it even pushes the AMOUNT of storage for email & webspace for a website. Including software for website creation. So it IS PART OF THE PRICE.
But we all know they wont issue credits. Damn when you have an outage & 1 department tells you they will credit you have to follow up & force it or else they will rip you off. That goes for the TV/ISP/PHONE service. Not just 1 but all. I know different areas = different quality of service. |
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rb00
join:2008-09-18
Houston, TX
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said by dadkins :It's not great that Comcast is killing the NNTP freebie, but it is surely not as dramatic as some seem to be making it out to be ... Thank you for finally admitting it. Most here were merely pointing this out. Only a few are making a big deal out of it. There are just as many "cowboys" that call out all as whinners. |
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No need to cry uncle. It's not a contest.
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joetaxpayer
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I give. Uncle. I just understand how others can make the same assumptions I did, and think this (usenet) access was a normal part of internet access. I am now set straight, I've gotten over it, moved on, etc. I've changed my paradigm, in fact. And I'm on track to use 9GB of transfer this month, so I doubt I'll be posting about caps.
I do, however, want CNBC in HD, but that's another story, another subgroup here.
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